1. It was Callahan running zone blocking scheme. 2. That said, I don't think anybody bitched over how the OL was underperforming. 3. The problem most likely came in because Schottenheimer's offense didn't fit well with Callahan's schemes. 4. And... you need to cut them some slacks: WFH ring a bell?
the dig on schotty was that his play design required separate reads by the line, receivers, backs and qb. it was a clusterfuck of options. the reads should be set by the qb, which is what was done in sparanos system, which might account for mcelroys 11 sacks. the zone blocking scheme was called into question because of the complexity and the inability to get the line to perform without pro-bowlers in almost every position. that being said, marty's system seems to be fairly complex, but it doesnt seem as intense as schottys blitzkrieg of info every week.
We go through this great expectation every year. This team is a mess. When is my imput going to change the personel ? I will take a "wait and see " approach because I am sick and tired of keeping my hopes high, only to get my heart ripped out year after year. I'm not painting a picture of doom and gloom, just stating facts, this team needs over the top help. Until I see that on the field, I will stay "wait and see"
Again, until this translate "on the field", I will continue to "wait and see" Let see something good happen in "real" games. Yes, I will get excited about the draft and pre-season, I always do. I am tired of the team being "a dollar short" year after year after year. I want to see theses move in an "actual " game So yes, I will take a "wait and see " approach
That's fine. I wasn't criticizing your disposition. I was criticizing your contribution to this thread which was stating that you don't care about any moves this organization makes until we win a championship. One of the main purposes of this message board is speculation and analysis of such moves so I think my criticism was justified.
Schotty's system was a Frankenstein of WCO, Air Croyell, Patrick/Earhardt, and then pushing the single wing in there with Brad Smith. The Line blocking was pretty good except for the lack of depth and Wanyne Fucking Hunter. And while Slaw is a drop from Faneca, we pulled "a Yankees" by getting rid of a guy a year early instead of a year late. The line personnel was drafted based on zone blocking so Mangold, Brick, Slaw/Faneca, Moore/Hunter/Austin were picked because of the zone blocking abilities. Only Moore was with the Jets before Callahan/Schotty. Yet Dave Googs implemented a man-blocking OLine scheme with zone blocking personnel and still came up with a top 5 OLine. That means our players are pretty fucking good all things considered. Going back to zone block with a solid OLine pick for depth and a better performance from Slaw and Austin and we should be a top 5 or better yet again. The reason the OLine looks horrific is because the rest of the offense - players and scheme - suck. And there's no other way to put it. We have not had an OC that can implement a scheme based on the players - its always been about getting players to fit the scheme - E.G. Square Pegs into Round Holes. This is why Rex can go to the Panthers right now and end up with a top 10 defense with no personnel changes - he changes his scheme to fit the best abilities of the players. If Morningwood can pull off a "Rex Ryan" with our offense, we should be in the top half in the NFL. And any position north of spot 15 is a HUGE improvement over the last few years. And if they grab 2 quality offensive players either through draft or FA, it will be a big bonus.
well said. im hoping that the numbers of his last few years as an oc are an indication that he knows his shit, especially since andy reid gave him more control as time went on. the jets have some good pieces on the o-line, if wayne hunter wasnt just the worst thing ever then 2011 might not have looked so bad. i mean dont get me wrong, im glad it happened because it allowed us to get rid of schotty, cause honestly i doubt that he would have been let go or hired anywhere else if the offense didnt implode in '11. sparano got hit with the injury bug, plus he wasnt very good or original at all. he had a couple of run plays that i really liked, but his system was so rehashed that it was almost completely ineffective. i like the way the eagles offense looked, so im excited to see what can happen with the jets now. the eagles were one of those teams that i would watch and just wish the jets offense could be like that, and low and behold... im in the process of watching the eagles games (offense only) from last season, i think the jets could be a good team in 2013.
I'm actually hoping they trade for Flynn and restructure his contract to make it cap friendly. If they can do this we can carry Flynn for this year even with Sachez's contract. Then once we cut Sanchez and assuming Flynn starts and does well his contract can be revisited. I think Flynn has to be open to a contract re-working. Nobody is going to be willing to pay him on his current deal.
I don't think we have the cap room to do it, we are also not the only team that would be interested in going after him. It would be an Idzik miracle if he could some how get him to come here on a discount AFTER the Seahawks let him go. Just trying to be realistic here as I think Flynn would cost us in picks/cap space.
If we trade FOR him with the understanding he will take a pay cut its not a miracle. We cannot afford him on his current contract, and I don't see anyone taking on his current contract given last year and his overall workload.
regarding the mornhinweg/reid offense... theres just about always somebody open. its pretty crazy actually. if sanchez can get open targets like this he might not suck next season. sorry to say it for all the sanchez haters, but this offense might be able to fix or at least hide all of sanchezs problems. they move the pocket and throw on the run, something mark has always been decent at, and there are always guys wide open in front of the qb. i dont think greene has a shot at the roster though, hes not fit for the type of running that this offense requires. lots of stretch plays and catching the ball, so hell probably end up somewhere else. keller might be looked at as an asset in this offense as well, a lot of the routes being run by the tight end are things keller has been good at, i think keller and cumberland might be ok for mornhinwegs system. santonio holmes is gonna look like a legit number one as well. kerley will flourish, as well. if they keep edwards then hill will be able to develop more and work on his hands, but he will still be a legit deep threat. this offense goes deep quite a bit. i know im being very optimistic here, but the system looks pretty damn solid and i dont think that he jets players, if fully healthy are that bad that they can mess this up. next season might not be as bad as people are thinking.
I'm usually onboard with the guys at PFF, but I'm going to have to take a 2nd look and figure out how in the hell they ended up ranking the Jets oline as high as they did. For more than half the season, they sucked badly. Dont get me wrong, it wasn't the players, it was the scheme and the assignments in my opinion. Googs going was the 2nd best thing to happen this offseason.
1. PFF stat is almost equivalent to horse manure. Only, horse manure has some use. PFF stat doesn't. 2. That said, going with man-blocking scheme this year was a disaster written all over it. Jets have been running zone blocking scheme for good half a decade now - and was pretty effective while doing that. 3. So, that means, if Jets are going back to zone blocking scheme, that almost necessitates a high investment in OG. (Chance Warmack?) Ducasse will be going back to the horse manure that he was before this season, in Callahan's system. 4. This also means, however, Slauson will be doing better (as he did before last year) and Austin Howard might end up something more useful, as he has experience in Eagles offense. Can't be all that bad. 5. 930/1730 (53%), 71 TD/52 INT, 11505 yards (6.7 yards/attempt) This is Michael Vick's 6 year total in Atlanta. Vick looked real good for two years and then tailed off. That said: 1028/1867 (55.1%) 12092 (6.5 yards/attempt), 68 TD/69 INT This is Mark Sanchez after having absolute worst season in his brief career. If Marty can pull the magic he pulled with Vick, maybe Sanchez will do better this year. (I do think that is a real possibility.)
On a second thought, I am pretty sure Alex Gibbs remains retired as we speak. What is the chance that we can grab him and train the OL? That would make the world of difference.
You are one of the very few posters to realize Vlad sucked big time under zone blocking scheme. All this supposed progress Vlad made last season was a new scheme which was for one year only. Next season Jets OL goes back to zone blocking which Vlad has struggled with big time. I've got serious doubts he steps in as starting OG and doesn't suck. Slauson performed better in this scheme & he's very cheap. Even if he got moved to the bench, it's no big deal keeping him around for depth because of his low salary. Howard is a question mark to me. I didn't really pay attention to his Eagles career so I'm just hoping for the best.
