A baseless rumor that went totally unsubstantiated by any named source w/the NYJ and now being discredited. Hilarious that some insist its not baseless. Newsflash: Idzik isn't whispering and leaking his priorities or immediate plans to the local hacks.
Assuming they keep cro and make expected cuts in 2013 and 2014 the jets cap will be around 60-70 mil. Yes we will have to sign players to make up for released/cut guys but we will be out of cap hell by 2014. We will be rid of Scott, Pace, Sanchez, Holmes, Tebow. Etc. We can still afford Revis/Cro at that point. Of course we can deal them both too and pick up some draft picks. Regardless of what we do with our CBs 2013 will be tough but 2014 should be better capwise http://nyjetscap.com/salary14.html
If they really doubt that they would be able to resign Revis, it's probably best that they get something for him. Other than that, I agree with you 100%. The Jets secondary, Revis in particular, is the strength of this team; it's part of their identity. I hear people say: "team 'A' wins without a shutdown CB so the Jets can do without Revis." What they don't realize is that the Jets aren't built like team 'A'. Team 'A' has their own strengths and proven commodities. Sure there's a possibility they could end up with picks that might sure up certain areas but that's not a given. It's not a given that they'll get a Clay Matthews, JJ Watt type player much less an overall pass rush like the 2011 NY Giants. And as seen during the regular season and the playoffs, one dominant pass rusher doesn't guarantee that you'll be able to stop some of the leagues most prolific offenses. Also, even a dominant overall pass rush can be neutralized. It's obviously more effective than having one dominant pass rusher, but it can be neutralized by a team that has a balanced O. And if that particular team's D is weak on the back end, chances are they're getting roasted. Two, you guys do realize that even without a pass rush, the Jets pass D is pretty damn formidable (at least when Revis is playing of course.) In the 2010 playoffs, the Jets held down 3 accomplished pass offenses on the road; albeit without a pass rush and with Brodney Pool and Eric Smith starting at the safety positions. In their 2011 game against the Giants, everyone remembers Cruz's big play, but despite that the Giants passing game did very little. Eli had a completion percentage of 33.3%; keep in mind that this was one of if not his best season statistically.
Yeah, maybe we are a Tom Brady and a Von Miller away. We are in no way a few pieces away. I mean if one of those pieces included a HOF QB, I would agree. But thats not possible so, no, we arent close at all. Get real man... Its as clear as day that we are rebuilding, what else will it take for you to realize that?
The cap in 2014 is another strange beast, although not remotely as vicious as 2013. The actual cap used for the year from this vantage point is probably only about $62.3M or so. $13.1M for Sanchez is unlikely to be on the cap, although $4.3M is a possibility. $8M for Scott, gone. $6.667M for Pouha, gone. $6M for Revis, no way that's happening. That's $34M off the $96M right there. The problem is the Jets only have about 22 players under contract under that cap. Another 3 or 4 will be gone to attrition as scrubs at the end of the roster. Those guys take up no cap space at all though, maybe $2M between them. So the Jets might well be in the position right now of having only 18 players under contract that are likely to be on 2014 roster, but at a cost of about $60M on the cap. So let's say the Jets keep Darrelle Revis but he counts $15M against the cap. That's 19 players at $75M. They have their likely draft complement of say 9 players over the two drafts in front of us, with 5 or 6 dropouts who get cut between the two camps. Those guys count for another $10M on the cap. So now they're at 28 players and $85M. And we're still talking probably 5 starting positions up in the air in that mix. It's 2014, the Jets have to sign Mo Wilkerson to his 2nd contract, his number for 2014 right now is only about $2.2M on the cap. Odds are it will be 4 times that before they get him locked up long term, 3 times that in a best case scenario. So the cap is at $91M or so. If Kenrick Ellis proved out, well his contract is up in 2014 also so his nice $787K cap figure is probably going to be more like $4M. $95M on the cap. Quinton Coples is going to be a year out from his second deal. The Jets will probably want to lock that one up early, since Mo Wilk cost them a lot because they had to wait an extra year to do him since the 2013 cap was so bad. So his $2.4M number is going to be a multiple also. Maybe the Jets are at $100M on the cap at that point for just 28 players. It's just a strange kettle of fish the Jets are dealing with and $15M CB's don't fit well in it.
The jets on D are only a few LBs away from being a top defense if we bring back our secondary. The offense needs a rb, fb, some linemen, a QB and maybe another WR. It aint pretty.
I think you could probably win a superbowl still with that model, it just isn't the way to build a franchise. The teams that are in the hunt every year have a great QB. The Jets need to move heaven and earth to find that guy.
Great points on MoWilk and Coples. I sort of assume Cro won't be around at 10 million per year by 2014. If the Jets trade Revis and cut/trade cro by 2014 then 2014 looks pretty good even if you want to get Wilkerson and Coples done. Hmm.
Yeah, it's just hard to believe the roster is in the shape it is in at the moment. Too much money tied up in players with mostly downside at this point and the few really good players are just extraordinarily highly compensated. It'll be interesting to see what the Jets do as they try to figure out how to replace 70% of their starters over the next two seasons and acquire 30-odd players good enough to take up a spot on an NFL roster. It's going to be fascinating watching Idzik and the personnel department at work.
:rofl2: Best roster (healthy) that weve had, since sexy Rexy got here. And we have never had an OC. (and any snarky reply should start with a defense of Schitty and Sparano) Brady and miller. Get real. Rex can negate Brady. Wilkerson and Coples, with another year....= miller.
If I were the Jets, I'd tell Revis he needs to show he's back to Revis form in the first, say, half of the season. Then I'd lock him up for five years, at $17 million per, in a deal where the guaranteed money will counter-balance the fact that the Jets are in cap trouble right now. If the Jets choose to shop him, I have a feeling Denver football operations czar John Elway will try hard to convince owner Pat Bowlen that Revis would be the missing piece to a championship team. The Broncos are $14.2 million under the cap this morning, but that doesn't include the estimated $10 million they'd need to budget for free agent tackle Ryan Clady, who's a must-keep. That could be lower, of course, with a long-term deal for Clady. And they could save money by reworking Peyton Manning's $20 million cap number this year. Andy Reid could be tempted with $17 million of cap room in Kansas City, and GM Trent Baalke in San Francisco could be a player too; the Niners will have significant money available when -- I presume -- they dump Alex Smith before April 1. And there are other teams that might be willing to give a first-round pick plus other value (maybe a third-rounder and a journeyman cornerback as well) for Revis. But remember, the compensation isn't just two picks and a player, or whatever ... it's also wrecking your cap in a flat-cap era for Revis, instead of the significantly more manageable money the fixed-cost high-draft choices now provide. The Jets also need to make the decision on Revis in 2013. Why? They gave away the ability to franchise Revis when they negotiated the current contract, and so if Revis plays out this year, there's not only the reality of getting nothing in return for him if he walks in free agency. There's also the risk of Revis signing with New England. What's the position that has made Bill Belichick look like a dunce on recent draft days? Cornerback. And if Revis went on to play in New England, and play superbly, the fans would be coming to the Meadowlands with pitchforks and torches looking for owner Woody Johnson. But I don't care what they'd get in return, unless someone (other than New England, a team the Jets obviously should do no business with) does something stupid like offer three first-rounders and a decent player. It won't be worth it. In this league, at cornerback, if you've got the best, you grit your teeth and pay the man. Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nf...ing-monday-morning-quarterback/#ixzz2JGy4uvl2 Trade Revi$
Peter King is talking out of both sides of his mouth. He discusses the cost of signing Revi$ for other teams and how it will hurt their financial flexibility to do other things. They also lose the cheap assets in draft picks. However,the Jets should tie up $17M per for the next 5 years. The Jets should not look at the other factors.
I tend to agree with those who think 13 will be a tough year for the Jets no matter what is done with the roster. But that doesn't mean they have to be blown up to get a competitive team more quickly. Revis probably has a good five plus years in him. The Jets should be competitive again in that period. Revis can help the Jets be that competitive team in that time frame. Meanwhile there is no assurance at all that this FO can handle first getting real value for him in the form of draft picks, and then to use those effectively to get good value. I have read the analyses here supporting the trade scenario. Putting aside those who see it as mostly a cap issue, the supporters of a trade seem to essentially assume the Jets can come out ahead with some combination of picks. I am quite skeptical in that regard. Why? First of all, start with Woody. Yeah, Tanny is gone, and odds are Idzik should be a better GM than Tanny. But the bottom line is Woody is still in charge. This whole thread has been based on teh concept that Woody was the one who originated this rumor. Think about that - before Idzik even saw the inside of his office, Woody says he wants to trade Revis. As long as Woody continues to make football decisions, I have no faith in the process. Let's say the Jets get a couple of high picks in a trade for Revis. Is Woody going to pass on who gets picked, or not? Is he in the process as an active participant? If so, watch the Jets turn the compensation into the latest equivalent of Vlad Ducasse and Kyle Wilson. And of course the other Woody thing is he may be motivated to get rid of Revis just because he's trying to save money, even under the cap. The cap issue I don't pretend to be an expert on. But by all accounts a trade of Revis this off season actually worsens the cap situation this year, while offering relief in 14 when the Jets have much more flexibility. Add it all up, and the Jets should do their best to retain Revis by negotiating an extension as soon as they can get some assurance he will be in good health.
I would only trade Revis if the Jets could send Sanchez with him in a package deal, and also get a number one.
$17M a year for a CB? That's a Pats fan's wet dream, the Jets taking themselves out of serious contention for the length of that contract. Sneaking in at 9-7, sure maybe. Winning 14 games and taking the division? Not a chance in hell.
Why does it make sense to talk about a scenario where the Pats land Revis instead? The Pats will be more likely to pay him an astronomical amount? Maybe some think Revis would be willing to sign with NE for less than the Jets. Too little logic in the trade Revis camp.
