You thinking they want to prolong the drama? My bet is that Rex would have said, "go ahead and fire me" if the owner tried to force a player he didn't want down his throat. He doesn't strike me as the kind of guy that would play Tebow, a guy he clearly has no faith in, just to keep his job in New York. But that is kinda the problem having Tebow on the roster brings doesn't it? play him or else!!! No wonder teams don't seem to want anythign to do with Tebow. Probably better Tebow and the Jets part company and see who might give Tebow a shot. If not, canada isn't a bad option. He might actually get to play there, get some more recent video of him being something other than a punt protector, and who knows, somoeone might actually be impressed enough to give him another shot in the NFL in a few years.
I keep thinking it is a good idea to leave this forum, but I keep coming back. Guess there is a little concerned citizen in me. First let me put up some combine numbers from another thread: Quarterback gurus: Tim Tebow can be fixed Kap 40: 4.53 seconds Kap Vert: 32.5 Inches Kap Broad Jump: 115 Inches Kap Cone Drill: 6.85 Kap 20 yard shuttle: 4.18 seconds Tebow 40: 4.72 Seconds Tebow Vert: 38.5 Inches Tebow Broad jump: 115 inches Tebow cone drill : 6.66 Tebow 20 yard shuttle: 4.17 seconds These are for Colin Kaepernick and Tim Tebow of course, courtesy of JetSetter34. Now these numbers are incomplete, they don't have the bench numbers or the Wonderlic or anything like that. But from a perusal of these numbers the only edge Kaepernick seems to have is in the 40 yard dash time. Let's say he is more likely to break a long run than Tebow. Tebow actually is quicker for the shorter distances, something I'd argue is more important than the .19 of a second difference in the 40 (guess Tim has shorter legs). As someone who has watched Tebow for a while I'm going to put up some points I don't think are questionable, but I can back up each one if you wish me too. 1) Tebow is stronger than Kaepernick. 2) Tebow has proven durability. Actually Tebow has unnatural durability for a quarterback. 3) Tebow has a stong arm, at least for throwing it a long way downfield. That's not the whole story, and we'll get to accuracy in a little bit, but just from an armstrength standpoint they are comparable. 4) There is very little Kaepernick can do as a runner Tebow can't. The breakaway run might be about it, though I think a few NFL teams can point to long runs Tebow broke on them. And there are a lot of power runs Tebow can make that Kaepernick can't. 5) Tebow put up huge college numbers much as Kaerpernick did. However he did it against much stiffer competition than Kaepernick faced at Nevada. 6) Intangibles. Gosh Tebow will never lead a comeback, will he? Never win a national championship. Never win a superbowl (at least not with the screwed up Jets organization). It seems to me that comparing the two, the only edges Kaepernick has on Tebow are: 1) Accuracy 2) Reading Defenses Upon further reflection, I think a fundamental assumption of Tebow's critics is that he is totally incapable of improving either one. Accuracy might be a valid point. Might, but there is a caveat we'll get to in a moment. You also assume that he is some kind of moron that will never be able to read one. I'm not so sure he is behind Kaepernick on that though. San Francisco has a much better coaching staff. They put Kaepernick in a position to exploit his strengths, and avoid his weaknesses. Alex Smith has had his career years with this staff. I think the team around the quarterback and the coaching have a lot to do with making people stars. Matt Flynn looked like a worldbeater a couple of games when Rogers was down, and turned that into a big payday. Matt Cassell did the same in New England when Brady went down. Just saying Kaepernick has a lot of accolades right now, but if he weren't on the 49'ers it might be a different story. And if Tebow were on the 49'ers it might be a different story. Christ, put Tom Brady on a team like Kansas City and see how well he does. Now as regards the accuracy issue. I think he can improve it. He'll never be as good as Sonny Jurgenson (the guy mobility aside, RGIII reminds me of most), but I think he can improve. I think Tebow is better at reading defenses than you give him credit for. So far in his career he's been given crap to make a sandwich with. Sometimes he pulls it off. Now you may gather I think Tebow could develop into a pocket passer. Yes I do. But that is not the best way to use him. He might become very good at it, but he will never produce as well unless he is in an offense that is designed to have the quarterback run. I think that is coming, which is another debate. And I will submit to you that the throws Tebow will have to make in a spread offense are much easier to make than the ones in a dropback scheme. To recap, Tim Tebow can be successful in the NFL. What San Francisco is doing is what he was born to be doing. Let's hope he is released from this Gehenna of a franchise, and goes somewhere where a team is going to use him to best effect.
All the combine stuff, and how much stronger he is than Kapernick is irrelevant. i agree, he's a much bigger and stronger guy, but that doesn't make him a better QB. Makes him a better FB, but not a better QB. It all comes down to whether he has the accuracy to hit receivers in stride rather than throwing ducks behind receivers, or at their ankles, or into the 10th row on plays that I seriously doubt he was simply throwing away. In a weightlifting contest, Tebow wins hands down. In a running back transition, Tebow would win hands down. He has more durability than most, but unnatural? Dude has found himself getting injured in each of his 3 seasons. In his first game in his first preseason, he took a shot that sidelined him for 3 weeks. In the playoffs against the Patriots, he had a rib injury that would have probably sidelined him for a few weeks had the Broncos advanced. got injured as a jet and wasn't available in a game where Sanchez is pulled. Nope, unnatural isn't what I would call it, even for a QB. Some quarterbacks take a pretty good beating throughout a season. ..and none of that matters anyway. Even if durable, he still sucks passing the ball even when healthy. Okay. They have similarities when it comes to raw talent. But isn't there a lot more to that? There are bums on the street that have a strong arm and can run. Doesn't mean they would have similar results if you plugged them into the offense. So? the NFL is a different speed, they run different schemes, and the players they both face nowadays are far far far superior to the ones they faced in college. True, Tebow had stiffer competition, but it isn't as if Tebow had a bunch of scrubs around him either. he had one of the most stacked teams in college football around him too. 10 out of his 11 starters on that last team he had are all in the NFL. Some make the transition better than others. At that point, college stat sheets make better toilet paper than they do in forming a basis as to who will be a good NFL QB and who won't. That is actually the best aspect from Tebow. however, his skillset leaves a lot to be desired. What good are intangibles when he has no tangibles? ...and that is the most important difference. you just hit the nail on the head as to why many with similar physical abilities are treated better than Tebow. Both those are huge knocks around the country on Tebow's game, and I believe is exhibit A on why he isn't worth the headache. The problem is between his ears. not totally incapable. I just haven't seen very many signs that the improvment was there. The way he seems to be getting treated right now around the league leads me to believe the other teams are making a similar observation. True, him being overexposed in the media is a concern, but I gotta think a team wouldn't mind it if their star QB got that kind of attention if he had the skillset to back it up. that's money in the bank in that scenario. Look, nobody is saying he CAN'T improve. There is just a lot of serious doubt as to whether or not he actually will. Three different head coaches had him, and reportedly did little to help his development. Josh McDaniels drafted him as a wildcat option hoping to groom him later. John Fox didn't like his game, and just ran a lot of running plays. Rex liked the wildcat option too, but spent much of practice time running Tebow through punt protection drills. that is 3 of his best formative years in the NFL down the drain, when his own coach in Florida said at the time he was drafted that he would be about a three year project to develop into an NFL level passer. He can improve... but man... he is so far behind the 8-ball now... Now he has to break a lifetime of bad habits throwing it when he has 3 more years of those habits to work against. By the time he overcomes that, he's going to be a lot closer to 30. So much easier for most teams to just draft another young guy or get one of the more established stop gaps like Alex Smith. Only thing Tebow has that the others do not is that human interrest story and emotions in overdrive when it comes to him. Taking away the human interrest story of Tim Tebow is really no different from the hundreds of players every year that come in with high hopes and never pan out. Nobody is pining for those guys to get a shot.
Siiighh...the only thing the sunbeam was trying to say is that both qbs came from a "scheme" in college that according to the experts "will never work in the NFL." Check this draft report out:Mechanics/Footwork He has sort of a weird, wind-up delivery which appears to stem from his baseball background. When standing in the pocket he holds the ball low and away from his body, which isn’t helped by his long arms. The ball doesn’t come out of his hand from as high of a point as it should, which gets more of his passes batted down than you would expect for a quarterback of his height. His mechanics will need some work at the next level. His play fakes are solid, but that came with the read option offense that he ran. No, that wasn't a scouting report about Tim Tebow. Believe it or not that was about Kaep. Guess what, they were right. If you go back and watch his throwing motion you will still see some of those things. But so what? The 49ers aren't asking him to be Drew Brees or Tom Brady. They are asking Kaep to be himself and look what he did. Teddy Bradshaw said "That was some of the best qbing I've ever seen' in the post game summary. Look, you think Tebow "can't throw" whatever that means and you are entitled to your opinion. However, whether you like it or not, Tebow played qb last year for the Broncos and won a playoff game with his arm and legs. Lastly, you sound ignorant when you always brag about my Florida Gators being "stacked" against inferior competition. Most of the teams we beat that year in 2008 were also "stacked." (I figured you were talking about that year because in 2009 we lost P.Harv and Murphy to NFL already). We beat the likes of Alabama, LSU and OU for crying out loud. Those teams were "loaded." Also, if you were really paying attention most of our players were heavily criticized for being in the spread option. Some scout reports said that our WRs didn't know how to run "NFL" routes because they were in the spread (of course I LOL'd repeatedly after hearing the "experts" sware our system didn't translate to the NFL). Of course our players came into the league with chips on their shoulders and went out to prove that those statements were simply not true. I mean Percy Harvin dropped all the way down to the 20th pick. Murphy was drafted in the 4th round. Nelson and DT weren't even drafted and had to work their way up and prove themselves. So please stop with that Florida was "loaded" crap because it holds little weight.
Great, can you let the NFL know you've made this judgement so they can just skip all that time trying to show NFL teams what kind of athletes they're thinking about drafting? Good grief. With bells on. Did you seriously just say that? How much of an ignoramus are you, actually?????? Or liar might be a more accurate word. How many of them ever won 2 National Championships, a Heisman, and a play-off game at the toughest position on the field?
Chris Rainey - RB, Steelers Deonte Thompson - WR, Ravens Riley Cooper - WR, Eagles David Nelson - WR, Bills Aaron Hernandez - TE, Patriots Mike Pouncey - C, Dolphins Maurkice Pouncey - C, Steelers Maurice Hurt - G/OT, Redskins Marcus Gilbert - O-Lineman, Steelers Jeff Demps - RB/KR, Patriots And Tebow himself makes 11. That's just the Offense. The Defense was stacked too. Carlos Dunlap - DE, Bengals Justin Trattou - DE, Giants Brandon Spikes - LB, Patriots Janoris Jenkins - CB, Rams Joe Haden - CB, Browns Will Hill - S, Giants Major Wright - S, Bears Ahmad Black - S, Buccaneers That's just players who are STILL on active NFL rosters, not those who have been dropped, only made practice squads, etc. Tell me that there was another SEC team that on a single year's roster produced NINETEEN NFL players. Urban Meyer did and insane job of recruiting. The Gators were STACKED against any other team in college football that they faced...
And yet... Tebow was the leader and disproportionately best player on this team full of NFL prospects. It's easy to be the best on a team of scrubs. Tebow was the best player on a team of great players.
That claim could be taken several ways. 1. Tebow was the "disproportionately best COLLEGE player on this team full of NFL prospects." 2. As the QB on a "team full of NFL prospects" Tebow was given a dispropotionate share of the credit for TEAM success (as QBs often are) and as a player was raised up to appear better than he actually was by the superior talent that surrounded him. However you view it, Tebow hasn't transitioned to the pro game yet. His 18 fellow Gators have.
The walls of text being put up in the name of Tebow (pro and con) have to be legendary at this point.
Didn't claim that they were starters. But they are active on NFL rosters. That means at Gainesville they were NFL level talent playing against opponents who have gone on to become insurance salesmen...
You guys are going to keep revising the historical facts on Tebow until you get "his team carried him in college" and also "anyone , including the team punter ,could have QBed the Broncos to 8-5 after a 7-24 run and won against the Steelers in the playoffs" Its funny to see..... and super entertaining, please continue
Soon, the conspiracy theorists will come out of the closet. The story will be that on throwing downs, the Gators subbed in Tom Brady in a muscle suit to look beefed up like Tebow. Tebow actually never threw a pass in college on his own. Kind of like the Milli Vanilli of football.
