There's always the potential to be elite for all of these highly rated prospects. However we know from draft history that many of the Top 10 drafted players never pan out. If you're talking about the long run and not quick fixes then drafting down and acquiring more picks may be the way to go given all of their position needs. You can actually address the team's weaknesses and still play to the strengths of the draft in respect to those greatest positions of need (RB, WR, OL, OLB). I never said they had to draft those offensive guys in Rd 1, rather I just said draft RB/WR with our two first picks. That could be two picks in Round 2 and/or 3 as well. I do agree with you that there are higher rated players on the board at OLB & OL. However this team, with so many areas of need, may be better served by having two quality picks in both Rds 2 and 3 versus one of these elite prospects at the top. The long term effects of neglecting the offensive side of the ball will be felt by the defense no matter who we draft as they'll wear down from being on the field so much if this O continues its current struggles.
If we had the 11th pick, it would be ok? Our team is drafting #9, and if it is a need, it is a logical pick.
I wouldn't go out and name any player elite before they play in the NFL. Look at what happens to the Rams with Jason Smith. I'm sure people said that he would be Elite, look at him now, about to get cut by the Jets, the team that's starting a former practice squad player at RT. Don't get me wrong, I like Austin. I think he can become a good tackle.
From your reply, I see that I misunderstood your first post. Sorry about that. Originally thought you were pushing round 1 & round 2 to be WR & RB. As for upgrading the offensive skill positions with high picks (like round 2 & round 3), there's been quite a few posts with the similar ideals. Assuming that there's always good choices on both sides of the ball, I'd like to see Jets spend most of their picks on the offense (especially rounds 2 & 3). Only pick I'd really like to see go defense no matter what is round 1 because Jets have waited so long for a pass rusher and there's some really good top talent there in this draft. Agree with you that Jets O definitely needs playmakers badly. I'm also really worried about OL. Good chance Moore is gone which puts Vlad & Slauson into starting lineup. Vlad made some progress last season but Jets are going back to zone blocking scheme (which he's struggled with). Good idea pitched about is spending pick #9 on OT & pushing Howard to OG. Then one pick will upgrade 2 spots on the OL. Assuming Howard can shift to Guard, this would be another huge boon for the offense.
Is Moore for sure out? I saw somewhere that he's was still rated somewhere on the top of the guard position.
No prob. I do agree with you about the stud pass rusher in Round 1. There is a plethora of talent at that position this year. If we can get a Mingo or someone like that then great. Make our Front 7 one of the tops in the NFL if he pans out. However I am just very concerned that if they wait too long in the draft, say Rds 3/4 to address the RB/WR positions then we may not get real impact guys. Let's just say we ended up with like a Ganaway type in Rd 4. This is just for example's sake I'm not saying we end up with a guy like that. This an example of just a wasted pick with no value IMO. But to me, the thing that separates the decent teams from the strong organizations is their ability to make really good draft picks in Rds 3, 4, and 5. Rds 6 and 7 to me are always a lot of luck involved. I just get annoyed every year when I see the Jets pick these garbage guys in those later rounds that never end up staying with the team for even a season. That is very poor drafting. So that is why I'm concerned with the offense next year. I just see us rolling out the same exact offensive personnel that we had this year. We can expect very similar results offensively if that's the case. But hey, I guess next year is a true rebuild year so maybe we get the "sure thing" at #9 in a pass rusher and completely sure up the D for years. Let the offense do what it may and target it in 2014. However Im still hoping for RB/WR or Pass catching TE in Rds 2/3.
Ok smart guy so lets here who your drafting as an offensive playmaker in the top ten this year? My comment had nothing to do with the state of the team and everything to do with the state of this draft. Perhaps you can tell me what RB or WR makes sense. No? That's why I suggest you read some of the other threads on the forum to learn a little. Good to see you only response so to act like a childish dick who didn't get the toy he wanted for Christmas.:breakdance:
I see what you were saying and agree. My bad. However my point about neglecting the RB/WR positions on the current roster still stands. If they don't address these positions in Rds 2/3 as well as through FA then the offense is going to suck again next year. There's no doubt about it. We are too slow and not polished enough at those positions. At some point we need to bring in top notch skill guys. But then again, if we get a great pass rusher and that sures up our Front 7 for years to come then I'm ok with it because next year is not going to be a very good year anyways.
I agree we need skill position players. I was one of the few who answered yes in the "do we really need a receiver" thread. We need to invest picks in just about every area of the offense. Sadly, at 9 unless we are taking a QB or lineman, there is not a top end talent to take on offense. On the defensive side there are several edge rusher types that will instantly strengthen a linebacker core that is about to be gutted this offseason to get under the cap. We are also going to loose two or three safetys this offseason. As much as we need offense, we also need defense as well. About the only areas we do not need to focus on in the first 4 rounds is DL and CB. Every other area of the team needs talent. The one thing we really do not need is another project which is why my favorite player in this draft in Ansah is probably not the right pick for the Jets. We need to find more starters than we have picks, not wait for guys to develop right now. We also do not need to be reaching to fill needs. Just take the talent that falls to us.
I totally agree with that philosophy based on this year's draft talent. And for as long as I've been a Jets fan I've always wanted this team to go for an edge rusher DE/OLB type. Besides flashes of John Abraham, Hugh Douglas and the Sack exchange, this franchise has always lacked pressure on the QB. So I'm all for taking an instant impact pass rusher at 9. I really hope they can find a RB and WR in Rds 2-4. If the talent is not there this year then I agree don't reach for one if he's not the guy. Maybe they go the FA route and find a talented backup RB that's already in the league somewhere. .
2-4 there should be plenty of WR and RB talent. It's just not there at pick nine this year. The best option is to try and trade down but you need a dance partner for that.
