Politics Thread: Road to 2014 and 2016 Elections

Discussion in 'BS Forum' started by 21stAmendment, Nov 9, 2012.

  1. Hobbes3259

    Hobbes3259 Well-Known Member

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    I'm a cigar guy...,the Cuban embargo is stupid, and only prevents the immigration of. Catholic conservatives into a major electoral state.

    Liberals claim to represent the oppressed...they had unrestrained control of the government....how did it not happen? 29 electoral votes.
     
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  2. deathstar

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    We don't need any more Cubans here...

    End the wet foot dry foot BS and get in line!
     
  3. Hobbes3259

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    So, you are now on the record, saying the enslaved don't deserve to be free?
     
  4. 21stAmendment

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    "Our journey is not complete until our gay brothers and sisters are treated like anyone else under the law" -- President Barack Obama
     
  5. VanderbiltJets

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    Obviously, but clearly Hawaii's supply is insufficient unless you think monosaccharides are "sugar". Cuban Embargo raises the price of sugar significantly and greatly contributed to the proliferation of high fructose corn syrup as a substitute.
     
  6. VanderbiltJets

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    Then why are Conservative Cuban-Americans the #1 proponent of the Cuban Embargo?
     
  7. deathstar

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    Who needs facts? :lol:
     
  8. Br4d

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    Because they are the descendants of people who had to flee Cuba with the shirts on their backs as the status quo shifted against them.
     
  9. VanderbiltJets

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    Obviously, but:
    1) It still disproves Hobbes' point; and,
    2) That doesn't justify their decision regardless.
     
  10. VanderbiltJets

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    Kicking Lupe Fiasco off stage yesterday for criticizing Obama was pretty low. Does the First Amendment mean nothing?
     
  11. deathstar

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    Not this shit again.
     
  12. Br4d

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    The First Amendment means nothing in private gatherings.
     
  13. VanderbiltJets

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    Did you read their official statement?
     
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  14. Hobbes3259

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    No, it doesn't.

    Cuban immigrants are agains propping up the Communist regime.

    My point is, at this point it's so weak that dollars would kill it off..

    Break the embargo, encourage emigration, and it falls.

    Your assertion is puerile tripe unworthy of an eight grade civics paper.

    What else is new.
     
  15. VanderbiltJets

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    You're correct, you didn't make a point, you made a definitive (and purely political) statement for the sake of making a purely political statement.
     
  16. Br4d

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    I'm just pointing out that the first amendment does not apply in private gatherings. You have no right to speak your mind in a private space. The proprietors of that space are fully within their rights to expel you from the space and bar your re-entry.

    Lupe's first amendment rights were not violated by the proprietors of the space and in fact were never infringed upon because he had no first amendment rights in that space.
     
  17. VanderbiltJets

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    I would be inclined to agree with your point of view, at least on the grounds of appropriateness and established limitations on the F.A., but the official statement on the incident differs.
     
  18. jilozzo

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  19. Br4d

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    They threw some pablum up there about supporting free speech but then they also pointed out that Lupe Fiasco's speech was offending many in the audience and so they expelled him.

    That's what happens when you stand up in a private venue and begin making noise that people don't want to hear. Put him outside on a soapbox and he's covered by the first amendment and then has to be doing something that violates another law to get suppressed.

    Based on the description of his performance he might well have been told to move along outside also, as a loud noise repeated at length is usually considered to be disturbing the peace.
     

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