How to get Tim Tebow back into the league as a starter.

Great thread

It's clear Timmy's QB talents will get him back into the league as a starter

Only real question is WHICH League


Certainly not the NFL


Could be the Canadian

or the United

or the Arena

or the Legends

or maybe the Elite League of India

Who knows....maybe one of those has talent so.limited that even Timmy can fit in

 

This all comes back to him being a better practice player. The coach isn't going to change the offense in practice just to see how Tebow looks in it and then judge him. He's going to judge Tebow in the practices with the offense the other 2 QBs are practicing. If he can't outshine his competition here, it puts him in a bigger hole as his job to a starting QB now comes down to chance, injury, etc. If he can become a better practice player, which means in the long run improving his consistency with his accuracy,then he job becomes easier as he can win it by outshining his peers like Wilson blew away Matt Flynn.

 

I've seen guys that were great practice players and didn't produce in games. People that don't do well in practice for a number of reasons, sometimes do really well in games.

Sometimes. For most people what you see in practice is indicative of what you see in games.

This goes beyond Tebow though. I think Coaches get myopia sometimes about this issue, for understandable reasons.

My thinking is that if you have a guy with athleticism and measurables, one that produced in places like college...

Even if he looks like crap in practice, I think you need to work him into game situations and see what he can do. They need to be situations that count, not just garbage time at the end of a game that is decided.

Odds are against it, but it has happened in the past, and will happen in the future. You need to get that teabag wet before you throw it away.

I also think teams don't do nearly enough in the way of getting backup qb's reps in games.

 

Charley Casserley on NFLN clearly doesn't like Tebow, but said the other day he thinks he would fit into Chip Kelly's Eagles offense. Also Rotoworld just tweeted a link saying based on his presser that the QB isn't likely on the roster ATM. You never know.

 

But that ties into the whole thing. If you aren't seeing anything in practice, you won't be inclined to include the player in the game. If you include the player in the game to test out, and the player doesn't amaze immediately, you really have nothing to keep on playing them.

THen for the important game situations, it ties back to practice, if the player doesn't show you anything in practice, what do you have to back your decision to put them in an important game situation. If they then lose a game or throw it away, the coach almost has an automatic ticket to the hot seat.

 

First of all, I seriously doubt you can cite a single source that says Tebow forgot about the checkdown guy. What you might find is that Tebow doesn't look for checkdowns very often.

Secondly, Tebow doesn't tuck it in and run it at the first sign of trouble. I've called you out on this bullshit before, but since you have continued, I have to conclude that you are telling yet another LIE (as opposed to simply being wrong).

Third, you are wrong in stating that just about every QB should be able to pick out defensive weak spots given more than 6 seconds. SOME NFL QBs can do that nearly all the time. Some others can do it now and then, depending on the defense. Yet others are still learning the various defenses and their tendencies. Wow, go figure, young QBs often need to have EXPERIENCE facing defenses before being able to figure out how to pick them apart. DUH.

The problem here is your "thinking", as it's highly suspect. Sure, before the first game or so, the coach would naturally go with QB #1. But after seeing that "good practice QB" shit the bed week after week after week, at some point the coach should make the change and see what the other guy can do.

Simple example, you and three others are standing in line and I'm going to quiz you over some simple 6th grade topic. You are up first. You look bright enough, at least in the "practice" sessions anyways. You blow the first question, then the second one, and the third one. Guess what ? You're out of chances. GTF to the back of the line and let's see what the next guy can do. I might not have much faith in him, but that said, he's still an unknown. You, on the other hand, have demonstrated a total and complete inability to get the job done, therefore, I don't need to bother with you any more.

Or how about another example ? My first job while in high school was bussing tables. One busy Thursday night, the food runner kept screwing up by going to the wrong tables or giving guests the wrong dinners. Manager came over to me and said "you're the new food runner". He gave me a copy of a floor plan that showed the different table numbers. The expo in the kitchen walked me through what the items were on each tray. They were even nice enough to lay the plates out clockwise in the order they appeared on the ticket.

Manager had no idea how I'd do, especially seeing as how I had only been there for a month and had never done anything but buss tables. But, what he did know was that the person who had been running food couldn't do the job. If I had failed, he would have then tried again with yet another person.


Difference between that manager and you, Rex and the like ? That manager had a clue and knew wtf he was doing.

 

Coach (Rex) had an automatic ticket to the hot seat by continuing to trot Sanchez out there after he (Sanchez) had proven time and time again this year that he was checked out and couldn't get the job done. So Rex surveys the landscape. He sees one QB who has 16 NFL starts, a winning record as a starter, a division championship and a playoff victory but might not look great in practice. He sees another QB who was a 7th round pick, has no actual playing time to speak of, and obviously, has never started an NFL game in his life.

It's a no brainer. Seriously, it doesn't even require a room temperature IQ to figure this one out. You go with the guy who has shown that he can get it done on the field. IF he fails, THEN you go to your 3rd string QB who had never started a game.

 

Fourth of all you hire a new GM and his first move is to get this useless turd Tebow the F--K OFF THE ROSTER and OUT hopefully along with 100 percent of his hideously ignorant fanboys

 

But when you put them in a game situation for a game or two because the good "practice QB" can't cut it in games, and you see that the back-up has a habit of stepping his game up when it's needed the most in actual games, you would be beyond idiotic to stick with the guy you know can get it done in practice but not games. Tebow has shown enough in the NFL for any coach with a shred of common sense or discernment to see that Tebow performs best when it's needed most. Which was the exact opposite of Orton and Sanchez, who both gave their teams the "best chance to win", acording to the head coaches. So, either their coaches were devoid of common sense (a distinct possibility) or there were ulterior motives.

Go back and watch Gruden's QB Camp session with Tebow on youtube, I just watched it recently. Gruden gets on to Tebow a bit at one point for not taking the check-down on a particular play in college. Tebow himself admits that he didn't want to take the check-down, didn't want to take what the defense gave him on that particular play, but he also conceded to Gruden that he should have taken it.

If anyone wants to see an example of a QB not going through his reads/progressions and running at the first sign of trouble or the first opening he sees in the line, go back and watch the Jets/Titans game this year. Jake Locker in that game was the epitome of a QB with ants in his pants. Same thing with Kaepernick against Green Bay last weekend, he had some great rushing gains tucking the ball almost immediately when a hole opened up in the line and squirting through it, on what were clearly not called running plays. Big difference between Kaepernick and Locker, though, is that Kaepernick looked a lot more comfortable in the pocket, Locker looked pretty much the whole night like he was looking for the Exit on every snap.

And the difference between BOTH of them vs. Tim Tebow in this regard is that they get praised for "making plays with their legs" and being "mobile in the pocket" in those situations whereas Tebow gets criticized for "not going through his reads and just taking off with the ball".

 

Tebow was hurt when Rex finally made the move to backup. Conspiracy theory? Who knows but that's how it works. Then when McElroy was named started for SD, at that point reports were already out that the Jets didn't want Tebow, that Tebow didn't want to play in NYJ at what point does Rex or upper management say it's not even worth it to play Tebow? They aren't planning on keeping him, why not see what the kid who is going to be on the team next year has especially since a QB search is upcoming.

Also, I was talking in generalities for the future of Tebow which is what this thread was about. And for Tebow to get a better shot in the future, if you amaze in practice, you will get recognition. If you go under the radar in practice, you'll go under the radar overall. It's the way it works across all sports. If you amaze in practice, you can win/steal a job. If you don't amaze in practice, you need to rely on an injury or poor play from the person ahead of you which means it's out of his hands.

To continue the above post by me, we are talking about Tebow's future.
It all ties back to Tebow in the future though. If he wants to have a better shot, he has to become a better practice player as stated above. You can't hope that coach will play him for something that happened last year in a different system and different circumstances with a different offense and different players. If Tebow played lights out and and dominated TC he would have started. We saw him the preseason and didn't see anything exciting there either. Again, comes back to practice play. If he can win jobs, he has a better shot in the future. They use TC to determine who should start in QB competitions. If Tebow can outplay his counterparts, it makes the coaches' choice easier and straighforward. If he doesn't outplay people in practice, like every other position he will lose out to the person that looks better. Practice is an extension of the team's current system hence it has more importance and weight to the QB than what Tebow in a different system and team.

I mean that's the most straight forward way Tebow comes back into the league as a starter. He's called into training camp and then wows the coaches and outplays the starter in the TC and preseason. Boom, starting job. I don't see what's wrong about that statement.

 

Nothing is wrong about that statement, and in general terms, I agree with you. The problem, though, is when the QB who looks better in "practice" and gets the starting job, doesn't WIN GAMES. That happened in Denver last year and for whatever reason John Fox - against his stubborn nature - finally decided to bench Orton, Fox was rewarded for that decision by seeing Tebow lead that 1-4 team to the play-offs, against all odds. It's possible the same thing could have happened with the Jets if Rex had made the same decision Fox had, early enough in the season. But he didn't, and we'll never know what might have happened. The point is that in the NFL players and coaches are paid to win games, not look good in practice.

 

Add to the fact that Tebow's specialty is tough, physical running. Unfortunately, that can't be shown in practice because QBs wear red jersey's. Imagine you're a running back trying to impress in practice but every time you're even touched, you're down? He's not likely to win a throwing competition with any other qb on the roster at the NFL level. Its what he brings as a physical runner which sets him apart in games and he'll NEVER be able to show that in practice, and its the reason he's only gotten into games after the starter collapses... and its also the reason he seems to inexplicable win despite looking piss poor as a passer at times.

 

Yes they are paid to win games. And going forward if Tim Tebow wants to win games as a starting QB, he needs to be a better practice player to earn the job instead of the waiting to be given the job. This is about how to get Tim Tebow as a starter in the league again, right?

Like I said, if Tebow learnt an offense and absolutely lit up TC, he can earn the job. In DEN the job was given to him and he took advantage. In NY he never gave a reason to be given the job, he ahd to wait on the coaches. That's what is going to separate him from starting and being a backup in the future. I do believe he will be brought into a TC competiion for starting job at one point and he needs to be ready and dominate that when it happens. He has the physical size and build to be a great NFL QB, now he needs to builds the consistency and talent behind it. He needs to become a runner who can throw to a thrower who can run. It's a big difference in the NFL in my opinion

 

Denver's turnaround had more to do with Tebow giving them some semblance of an actual running game than anything else. The same thing could have been accomplished by plugging Tebow in at RB and leaving Orton under center. That probably would have resulted in a very balanced Offense for Denver and won them even more games...

 

What makes you think, if Tebow isn't a good practice player by now, that he will ever become one? Maybe he will, maybe he won't, and it might not have a darn thing to do with whether he wants to or how hard he works at it. It might affect the amount of time it takes him to get another chance as a starter, but my bet is that some coach who is desperate to win will eventually give him another chance, poor practice performance or not. If Tebow eventually has a long period of success in the NFL as a QB, there are going to be a lot of head coaches who wish they had put more stock in his game performance than his practice performance.

Yeah, I don't think so. No threat that the QB might run or pass, and no read option that juked defenders out of their shoes so many times. I think Tebow would be very average, at best, as an every down RB. Like any good option QB, it's his ability to throw the ball OR run the ball that makes him dangerous.

 

This just raises more questions for me. Tebow has dyslexia. I can only presume he practiced no better at Florida than he has in the NFL. Meyer saw fit to put him in games, and he produced.

Of course it didn't hurt that his offense stressed what Tim is good at.

But how many other people potentially could have shone in games if given a chance? How many times have you seen someone like Orton or Sanchez go on and on, doing the same things in games, and everyone knows it's going nowhere?

Tebow aside, if Ryan had a brain he would have tried someone else a long time ago.

Forget Tebow for a minute, based on what happened on the field McCarron should have gotten a shot a long time ago.

If he stinks too, maybe it's not the players. I've mentioned several times that the team and coaching around the quarterback might do more to make the quarterback than the quarterback himself.

Cassell had a season basically of good games when Brady went down. Flynn had a couple of games where he looked great when Rogers was out.

Neither one have looked good with the new team, or in Flynn's case didn't win the starting job.

Now I ask you: if you stick Rogers or Brady on the Chiefs how well do you think they would have done? Think they would have the kind of season you think an "elite" quarterback should have?

With the way the draft works, we should see bad teams with great quarterbacks. Big numbers, big production.

But we don't. We see the same teams, year after year, decade after decade, with little movement amongst them at the top of the league.

Some teams have a successful season, but fall quickly back in the mire.

Every year the "elite" quarterbacks seem to play for the "elite" teams.

Just a thought, maybe an "elite" quarterback doesn't make a team elite, maybe an elite team makes an elite quarterback.

To get to a situation like this takes a combination of good coaching (most important) and a front office that has a clue.

Take San Francisco. If Alex Smith were still the quarterback they might not be going to the Super Bowl.

But do you think San Francisco would have made the playoffs? I do. I also think Smith would have had numbers pretty much like last season.

So if Jim Harbaugh coached the Jets, what do you think his record would have been? Sanchez would have been a lot better probably.

But Harbaugh might just have gone with McCarron or, dare I say it, Tim Tebow.