Testaverde is your template. Stop asking Nacho to throw down the field and outside the effing numbers.
Neither is Sanchez. So that leaves us with no one. We're gonna be awful next year anyway and we already know what Sanchez gives us. Now is the time to see what McElroy or a FA QB gives us.
We know what McElroy gives us. A FA QB is probably the way to go. That or live through another year of Sanchez in yet another offensive system.
So you want to stop asking Sanchez to be an NFL QB? That's good since he stopped doing that over a year ago.
He just doesnt get it. He's worse than Junc. I mean at least Junc provides some stats, while also being delusional... Hobbes is just straight up delusional at this point.
Yes, Nick Foles. Im not getting my hopes up on Philly letting him go, but if they do it will be a mistake by them and we should jump all over it. Maybe Kelly wants a different qb to start his regime with. Foles was throwing about 40 times per game, playing behind that horrendous O-line, and he still completed over 60% of his passes!!!! The only stat where Foles is lacking when compared with the other great rookie qb's (RG3, Wilson, Luck) is TD per game production. But consider this, he started playing in week 10. If you compare his 7 games to those other guys first 7 games, then his TD production is right on par with them. Foles has really good pocket presence, sneaky good footwork, progresses through reads, makes quick decisions, is an accurate passer, and he has balls - he doesn't get fazed when pressure is in his face and he'll take his shots downfield when he can. He's going to be a very good qb. He also has sweet hair. To answer the OP's original question: Yes, he is more than good enough to warrant a trade. From his college metrics and his gameplay this season, I believe he would be our franchise qb if we were able to get him and I would be ecstatic if we were able to pull off this move. MM surely knows how good this kid is, hopefully Kelly and co. don't. Maybe the hidden genius in bringing MM here was to make a play for Foles.
It wasn't a question on Foles' talent. It was a question on Why he's even an option because there's NO WAY IN HELL THE EAGLES ARE GOING TO GET RID OF HIM
I'm not talking about their individual stats. If you look at it in a vacuum like that, of course Wilson's look better because of his TD:INT ratio and completion percentage. But that fails to put into context what really happened. Wilson was carried for most of the year by a top 3 defense and a top 5 running game. All he had to do was "manage the game" like Alex Smith did for the 49ers last year with a good running game and great defense. Andrew Luck was the whole Colts team. He has absolutely nothing around him. That team went 2-14 last year and the only major game-changing addition was Luck. Arians style of offense is a vertical passing game looking to pick up big chunks of yardage down field. That's why you heard Big ben complaining about Haley's more dink and dunk offense this year - he liked Arians style better. (I personaly prefer Haley's style, but that's not the point). Luck had to chuck the ball downfield. The Colts had NO running game. Their defense was putrid - it was a bottom 5 unit against the run and well below average against the pass, with Freeney and Mathis not as effective in the 3-4 defense. Who were Luck's WR's and running backs? Besides an aging Reggie Wayne, tell me who Luck was throwing to. Donnie Avery? TY Hilton? Lavon Brasil? What great running back did he have to take the pressure off him? Vick Ballard? Delone Carter? Andrew Luck reads defense far better than Russell Wilson. Wilson too often drops back, is confused or doesn't see that his first read is open, and then just scrambles behind the LOS in a sandlot style of football waiting for the defenders to lose their man or get anxious and vacate their zone. The argument you are making is based on individual stats in a fantasy football related manner. It's like saying after the 2010 season that Josh Freeman is better than Matt Ryan or Drew Brees because he had 25 TD and 6 INT with a 95.9 QB Rating. Ryan and Brees had more picks and lower QB Ratings. Freeman threw 25 TD in only 470 attempts, while Matt Ryan threw 28 TD in 570 attempts and Drew Brees needed 660 attempts to throw 33. It's also like saying Matt Cassel (27 TD, 7 INT, 93 QB Rating in 2010) is better than Matt Ryan, Eli Manning, Jay Cutler, etc. Just because a guy puts up good looking individual stats does not mean he was the better player, or that he was more valuable or that he is/will be better. Now if you've watched Freeman or Cassel play over the past two seasons, you realize they're not nearly as good as those stats in 2010 indicate. Cassel is going to be released by KC this offseason and will likely have to settle for a backup QB job. Freeman has been a big disappointment and Schiano has said he will "have to evaluate going forward with Freeman." I just don't see any way that Wilson was more valuable to his team than Luck when you consider the defense and running game Wilson had.
I think spending a large chunk of what little cap space we have on a QB would be a big mistake. We are going to need to improve the offense no matter who is behind center, so I say spend the $ on O-line,RB,and WR in that order. We all know we need to upgrade the pass protection, that's a no brainer. At RB,I say let Greene walk and sign that kid Chris Rainey that the Steelers cut at a bargin price. Some may argue that his problems are a red flag,but he was a kid with a lot of speed and promise,who could be had at a steal,i'm sure. These are the kind of shrewd moves a team in our dire cap situation needs to make. At WR, Braylon wants to be a JET and can be had at bargin price compared to what he would add to the offense. He's a big target who still has gas left in the tank,even with his injuries the last 2 seasons. At QB I say sign Vince Young to a 1 year incentive laden deal and let him and Mark battle it out in camp. Most are looking at 2013 as a lost season,anyway. If we get something out of Young, great. If Mark suddenly steps up, even better. If neither winds up making a difference we cut bait with both and draft our next starter in 2014.
Jets QB situation: Quarterbacks with connections to Marty Mornhinweg and David Lee Conor Orr Jan. 21, 2013 The Jets have a new offensive coordinator in Marty Mornhinweg and, reportedly, a new quarterbacks coach in David Lee. Although it's entirely possible that the Mark Sanchez era extends another year, this brings in a new group of possibilities for quarterbacks that could end up on the roster simply because of familiarity with the two. Both Lee and Mornhinweg have ties to a ton through their years in the league, a lot of whom are available this offseason. Kevin Kolb Current team: Arizona Cardinals Contract status: Signed a six-year, $63.5 million contract with the Cardinals in 2011. In 2012 he played in five games, going 3-2 as a starter, before missing the remainder of the season with a rib injury. Although new head coach Bruce Arians said he has no preconceived notions about Kolb, he's owed a lot of money next season -- $11 million -- making him a potential cut. 2012 Stats: 109-of-183 for 1,169 yards, 8 touchdowns and 3 interceptions. A. J. Feeley Current team: Free agent, last played with the Rams in 2010-11 Contract status: Free agent 2012 Stats: : No stats, Feeley will turn 36 before the season starts next year. Mike Kafka Current team: New England Patriots (signed a futures deal in 2013) Contract status: Signed a two-year $1.2 million contract. Will be a free agent in 2015. 2012 Stats: No stats, Kafka was edged off the Eagles roster following a 2012 preseason quarterback battle. Vince Young Current team: Free agent Contract status: Young is a 29-year-old former first-round pick who is still hoping to make a comeback. He last played for the Eagles in 2011 and was cut by the Buffalo 2012 Stats: Young didn't take a snap in 2012 in the regular season. Michael Vick Current team: Philadelphia Eagles Contract status: Signed a six-year, $100 million contract in 2011. We'll turn to ESPN's Andrew Brandt to explain 2013 specifically: "Of this, $3 million is guaranteed for injury only. However, once the calendar hits the second day of waivers in 2013 – in mid-February – the guarantee converts to a full skill guarantee for that year. Vick allowed this for funding purposes, as any amounts guaranteed for skill prior to January 31 have to be funded by the team." 2012 Stats: 201-of-351 for 2,362 yards, 12 TDs and 10 INT. Trent Edwards Current team: Philadelphia Eagles Contract status:: Signed a two-year $1.415 million contract in 2012. 2012 Stats: Played in one game going 2-of-2 for 14 yards. Was eclipsed by Nick Foles in the preseason for the right to be Vick's backup. Tarvaris Jackson* (Was a freshman under David Lee at Arkansas in 2001) Current team: Buffalo Bills Contract status: Free agent 2012 Stats: Jackson was third on the Bills' depth chart this season after getting traded from the Seahawks for a seventh-round pick. *Jackson has connections with new Jets GM John Idzik as well. John Beck Current team: Free agent Contract status: Free agent, last played for the Texans in 2012 but was cut by Houston in October. 2012 Stats: Beck last recorded stats for the Redskins in 2011, going 80-of-132 for 858 yards, 2 touchdowns and 4 interceptions. Chad Henne* Current team: Jacksonville Jaguars Contract status: Signed a two-year, $6.75 million contract with the Jaguars in 2012. 2012 Stats: In nine games, Henne was 141-of-267 for 1,786 yards, 9 touchdowns and 8 interceptions. * Henne is now playing for a new coach and general manager. Despite filling in admirably for Blaine Gabbert in 2012, his future is definitely up in the air. Josh McCown Current team: Chicago Bears Contract status: Free agent 2012 Stats: McCown, who will turn 34 before next season, last recorded stats for the Bears in 2011, going 35-of-55 for 414 yards, 2 touchdowns and 4 interceptions. Tyler Thigpen Current team: Buffalo Bills Contract status: Free agent 2012 Stats: Thigpen was 3-of-5 for 30 yards this year for the Bills. His last significant stats came in 2010 with the Dolphins.
The JETS should give Vince Young a try. He was already in Marty Mornhinweg's WCO system with his time in Philadelphia and he would bring some experience and knowledge of the playbook with him. At RB, Greene might be gone but who knows..I think the JETS should draft a RB and let him and Powell battle it out during training camp. The DRAFT is going to be real important to JETS to get younger and faster at the skill positions. Who ends up the starter at QB for the New York JETS, only time and the preseason will tell!!!
Im not anti-Luck at all, but you are just giving him way too much credit and none at all to Wilson. You're comparing Wilsons play to Alex Smith?! Thats crazy. He wasnt carried by his team, he elevated them to legit SB contender status! By your logic Luck is better than any other quarterback playing in the league right now because the team around him was worse than theirs. That's a ridiculous argument. Lucks o-line was way shittier but Wayne/Hilton/Avery are inferior to Rice/Tate/Baldwin? Gimme a break. Seattle had a great run game but you can't discount Wilson being a legit threat to run from being a factor. He was even dishing out legit blocks for Lynch himself! The stats I posted are not arbitrary, they are quite meaningful because they show that Luck actually struggled in the 2nd half of the season. You are conveniently ignoring this. Wilson on the other hand excelled as the season went on. Luck had 4 games in a row towards the end of the season where his completion % was below 50%. One of those games was against the KC Cheifs and another was against the Titans, two of the worst teams in football. At the same time Wilson was picking apart the great Bears D and tearing the Super Bowl bound 49ers a new one. Your assessment of Wilson's play this season is completely wrong. His pocket movement was great, his defensive reads were great, his decision making was great, his throws were accurate and fast. Nobody played qb in the 2nd half of the season better besides Brees/Brady/Rodgers. Not to mention his playoff poise was epic. Luck has a different style of play. This argument is like comparing a point guard to a 3 point shooter. They were both extremely valuable to their teams and both of them deserve to be in the top 5 list for MVP. But when team value is taken out of the equation Wilson is the clear winner for ROTY because he was better this year. It shows in the stats and it shows in the gametape.
You know your QB situation is bad when you start wishing for Bills retreads. I've counted 5 so far in this thread. Crazy. I know it seems bad, but you guys need to aim a littler higher lol.
I'm not interested in stats from arbitrary cut off dates. It's not fantasy football. The style of offense and how much your team relies on the QB has a dramatic effect on the stats. Luck is obviously going to have more yards because the team is so reliant on him and he attempted close to 240 more passes. Because his offense is a more vertical offense, his completion percentage will be lower as well. Because Luck has a higher volume of throws (especially deep throws) he will have more chances to be intercepted. The majority of Wilson's throws are of the safe variety while Luck is taking more risk downfield. All of these factors play into those stats. Wilson was not asked to carry his team in the manner that Luck was asked to carry his. Wilson had a far superior cast around him and benefited greatly from it. He had the #1 defense in the league in terms of PPG. He had one of the best running games in the league. His offensive line is undoubtedly better (Okung and Unger made the Pro Bowl as starters). The weapons are a wash - the Colts have Wayne and no one else, and the Seahawks have a couple of solid but unspectacular options like Rice, Hill, etc. I don't know how people can discount this. It's easy for Wilson to fake the hand off to Lynch (who had ten 100 yards games, eleven if you include the playoffs) and throw a dump off 7 yard pass to Zach Miller. Luck doesn't have that luxury of drawing linebackers and safeties up with a hard play action fake. Wilson does with his dominant running game. I saw both QB's a good amount this season and Luck's ability to read defenses dwarfs Wilson's IMO. I felt like Wilson was a scrambler who made things happen a lot of the time by ad-libbing and playing sandlot ball way too often, while Luck actually dropped back, scanned read defenses, and make decisions like your typical NFL prototype pocket passer. We'll just have to agree to disagree and we'll see how it plays out down the line. Josh Freeman put up "stats" similar to Russell Wilson once upon a time and was being lauded as an up and coming youngster with a great future after he put up 25 TD and 6 INT with a 96 QB rating in 2010. Well he was awful in 2011, and did not play well in 2012, to the point where Schiano has said he is going to bring in a QB to compete with Freeman for 2013. Call me a cynic/skeptic/pessimist, but I'm not ready to crown Russell Wilson and say Matt Flynn lost his job to "one of the best QB's in the league" just yet. All those people who were crowning Cam Newton after his rookie year kind of backed off this year when he struggled mightily early on. We'll see.
