On the bold, are you saying Peyton Manning's defenses have not blown late game leads in the playoffs? Yes, you are saying Peyton's defense haven't blown late leads or No, Peyton's defense have blown late leads. Please answer. There is a factually correct and incorrect answer. Yes or no please.
So Manning plays DB now? Please. Denver's defense lost that game, not Manning. Denver's defense failed time and again in that game. They gave up multiple long TD passes, failed to pin the Ravens deep in OT when the wind was in their favor, and the tying TD was one of the worst end of game plays I have seen in my 45 years of watching football. The Pats loss yesterday is far more on Brady than the defense. A team that averaged over 30 points a game put up 13 and none in the second half. Brady had two turnovers and a turnover on downs plus the end of the half fiasco. Manning had his team in position to win numerous times. Brady couldn't even get the lead in the second half.
It doesn't absolve him but he is putting up similar point outputs to what he put up in his 9-0 playoff run except he's not getting the return on the other end. Yes he is better now so he should put up more, but you can't win with a one sided team, ask Peyton Manning or Aaron Rodgers. The Patriots team went away from their balanced team of the SB runs and turned into the Colts teams they dominated in those runs. Now, they are getting beat up in the playoffs because they have become too reliant on their QB.
yep, thanks to 2 STs TDs. peyton had the ball in his hands w/ a chance to run out of the clokc and failed. he then got TWO chances in OT needing just a FG(you remember how easy it is to lead your team to GW FGs, right?) and he failed and not only did he fail to lead his tam to FG range but he set up the opponent for the GW FG. Yep, it's all the D's fault. poor Peyton was only handed 14 pts, poor Peyton gave away 7 pts, poor peyton only had the ball w/ a chance to win the game w/ one 1st down, poor Peyton only had TWO chances in OT. it's everyone else's fault but Peyton!
Peton hasn't had one sided teams, his Ds have been good in postseason. Rodgers didn't lose b/c of his D last year, he lost b/c he and his O sucked. this year and vs. Ari were different though. Where is the Ari game for Peyton?
He had the ball in the 4th Qtr with the game tied and drove them 88 yards for the go ahead TD which they held until there was :31 seconds left and the defense BLEW the game. You just said that Manning never had the defense blow a late game lead which is untrue. And stop with the "handed 14 points" nonsense. With the game tied Manning drove them 88 yards for the go-ahead TD. With a 7 point lead w/ less than a minute to go the defense lets a deep bomb go over their heads to blow the lead.
Peyton's defense just gave up 28 points to the Ravens including a 70 yard TD bomb with 30 seconds left in the game up 7. The year before, they let the Jets drive with 50 seconds left to kick the GW FG up 2. Then 3 years before that, they blew a 3 point lead with <1 minute left in SD. THe year before that, after the Colts took a 7 point lead with 10 minutes left in the 4th quarter, Billy Volek immediately answered with a 80 yard TD drive. They haven't played good enough to win a SB. The one time they played well and held teams off late, the Colts won the SB. Same thing with New England. Their defense isn't getting the late stops, NE isn't getting SBs. When they got those late stops, they won those Super Bowls. Do you think this is a coincidence? Also interesting note, off the top of my head NO, Pitt, NE, IND, GB all won SBs in the 2000s with pick 6s within the Super Bowl. I believe Tracy Porter, James Harrision, Ty Law, Kevin Hayden, and Nick Collins. Interesting factoid in my opinion.
The 88 yd drive was w/ 7 mins left in the game in a tie game. That's just slightly different than leading your team 80 yds trailing by 3 late in the SB then leaving your opponent 2:39 to play. The D blew it for Denver but they only TIED the game, he had his hands on the ball for 3 more possessions, 1 they decided to kneel b/c they didn't trust him but he had 2 legit possessions in OT and not only failed but turned it over setting up Bal for the win.
Den's STs gave peyton 14 pts the postseason before he needed ONE 1st down but couldn't get it and instead settled for a 50+ yd Fg to take the lead. mark Sanchez then did what peyton couldn't do in the '05 playoffs vs. Pitt. In 2007 he threw TWO RZ INTs costing his team 3-7 pts each time in a 4 pt loss. He then had TWO possessions after the Volke led Td and FAILED. Indy's D's w/ Manning allowed LESS PPG than NE's supposed great D's w/ Brady. Peyton had numerous cahnces to win and has failed all but one postseason where his D carried him.
They had the lead and the D blew it. I don't care when the drive was. It was bitterly cold day and he marched them down the field and took the lead.
You started off with "his Ds have been good in postseason." but can't back it up so you talk about Peyton Manning. Then you also said "The difference is Brady hasn't thrown away games like Peyton has so many times and and Brady has given his D's late game leads which they have blown unlike Peyton." which I proved wrong in my post but agian, you go and talk about Peyton Manning because you realized you were wrong on both facts
If the D didn't blow the lead, the game is over and the Broncos win. So yes they blew the game, especially the way it was done, a Hail Mary play against a prevent defense.
Payton Manning is a shell of himself. His arm is clearly nothing compared to what it was. Still in horrible conditions his team put points on the board. Brady was outright awful yesterday. His total punk out on running for the first down near the end was emblamatic of just how bad he was when his team needed him to step it up.
I can't back it up? pts in regulation allowed by Manning & Brady Ds: Peyton: 376 pts in 20 games, 18.8 PPG Brady: 475 in 24 games, 19.8 PPG 19.8 is more than 18.8, right? is this not enough evidence? or doy ou need proof w/ the 4 INt games, the failures late in games, the INTs fot TDs, etc... that I already gave you over and over again? There are many if's from that game, the play by the D is one of them- there are numerous ones for Peyton.
Junc you said this "You can throw whatever #s you want but just over 14 PPG in playoff losses is the most important #" but then you go and say this "Stats tell PART of the story, the sooner we all realize this the better off we will be as fans." You keep on changing on your arguments. You can't use an argument using stats, then say stats don't tell the whole story. You keep on changing how you argue the QBs, and you still haven't explain how QB W/L is a playoff record. You say Peyton and Tom Brady shouldn't be compared with playoff record being the main point of argument, yet that's a stat the as you say tell part of the story. You throw away QB related stats saying they don't count, and then act like a team's W/L is a QB stat. Also just for fun, take out garbage time, recovery, and return TDs Tom Brady ppg in playoff losses 15 on the dot. Peyton Manning ppg in playoff losses 14.8. Oh man Tom Brady is worlds better in the one stat that Junc says "is the most important #"
What exactly are you taking out for the defense? I got different numbers. Obviously take away the times the offense gave up points via INT or fumble and take away garbage time TDs where the defense plays prevent.
