I would love to get Austin. He is just like Percy Harvin without all the injuries. Terrance Williams is a stud too. Big, physical, good hands, and is fast.
If Holmes is healthy he will be here and he's a good receiver, same with J-Kerl. Every other person is expandable. Edwards is a FA, Hill can't catch. If it was up to me I would re-sign Edwards and go in with 1. Holmes 2. Braylon 3. J-Kerl 4. Hill. Solid group.
Thanks. I could very well see it playing out this way too. Hill has the size/speed/talent to be a #1 WR in this league, and I think he can definitely turn into one for the Jets. I know he had some drops this year, but I was very encouraged by what I saw from him given how raw he is. People forget that not so long ago Josh McDaniels "foolishly" spent a 1st round pick on Demaryius Thomas, a big, strong, fast physical specimen of a WR that was extremely raw from Georgia Tech and struggled with drops and route running early in his career. Thomas has developed into an animal. Of course, playing with Peyton, on of the greatest QB's ever, has played a MAJOR role in that, but he was starting to blossom even with Tebow as his QB last year. Give Hill some time to refine his craft and develop. He was seldom thrown the ball at Georgia Tech. He had 49 total catches in his whole 3 year career at GT! He is extremely raw, but he is so talented. Get him a QB that can consistently get him the ball, and I think he's a #1 WR down the line. And that slots Holmes into the #2 slot perfectly. I'd say Holmes is a 1a type of WR - a guy in the Greg Jennings class, not the Calvin/Fitz/Green/Andre class. Unfortunately, he's being paid like a top 5 WR in the league, so that's gonna hurt you with cap space, but the guy is a gamer who is tough over the middle, excels at beating man coverage, and makes big plays in critical situations. I'm a fan of Kerley in the slot. Young kid who has show some toughnesss, quickness and playmaking ability especially in terms of YAC once he has the ball in his hands. And I've always liked what Braylon Edwards has brought to the Jets. No, he's not the top 5 pick people expected him to be when he was drafted. But he is big, pretty fast, plays physical, can make some plays in the vertical passing game down the sideline, and brings some attitude/swagger to an offense that is definitely lacking in that area.
The New York Jets famous words are wait till he developes..... We need a player that makes a big impact. When was the last time we had a offensive skill position that we were excited about rather then saying I hope it works with him. This Draft we need to hit at every round. I think it was the Broncos game last week or maybe the Seahawks as well but they had players in every round of former drafts playing on the field. When you got a 7th rounder on the field you had a good draft.
My biggest problem with Holmes is him dropping the ball after every first down and delaying the game further than it needs to be and sometimes those seconds he accumlates doing that hurt us at the end of a game. Also if he doesnt catch a ball he is tossing his hands in the air looking for a flag
To the tossing his hands in the air, I dislike WRs doing that, but WR do it on us and get flags and Tone has gotten flags by doing this so I'll take it. IT's something all the WRs do, so why shouldn't our guy take advantage of it?
Look at the talent at WR and TE on both teams in the Superbowl, Randy moss,Crabtree,Manningham,Davis,Williams on the 49ers, Boldin,Tory Smith,Dennis Pitta ,Ray Rice catches a ton of balls , We have Schlinez,Edwards,Gates,Hill yea that sounds even
It's just a to common thing among WRs now... Just play the game but it's like almost every play if he misses the catch he wants a flag.
Its the coaches fault that he can't catch? Isn't this something you should have well before you become pro?
Why compare him to the Broncos Thomas when he could actually catch when he entered the NFL ... Same for Calvin Johnson I don't care if he was Megatrons exact weight and height if he can't catch what's the point. Your a dud unless you can prove otherwise.
Thomas had the same knocks on him that Hill had - just a height weight speed specimen, no college production, extremely raw in terms of routes, and he was also criticized early in his NFL career in Denver for his drops. Just do a Google search and see what turns up if you don't remember. From December 2011: Denver Post - Demaryius Thomas' fundamentals can lead to dropped passes for Broncos I remember reading scouting reports leading up to the 2010 draft that cited Demaryius Thomas as sometimes losing focus and dropping catchable passes. It was one of the knocks on him. Drops are extremely overrated anyway. If you look at the top guys in drops, it's just the guys that are targeted the most. The more you are targeted, the more drops you're going to have because no one is perfect and they all make mistakes. Some of the leaders in drops this year: Jimmy Graham, Victor Cruz, Calvin Johnson, Brandon Marshall, Dez Bryant, Demaryius Thomas, AJ Green, Wes Welker, Julio Jones. Some big names and massive talent on that list. If you see a high volume of targets/throws, you're going to drop your fair share of balls. Having a guy like Larry Fitzgerald that seldom drops a ball is extremely rare. I would love Jennings on this team but he is going to be too expensive. Someone will give him close to #1 WR money, and we just can't tie up that much money in Jennings and Holmes. And wait, you're down on Hill but you want Devery Henderson, a guy notorious for having great deep speed but hands of stone? That's a little confusing, inconsistent, and a little mind boggling. Read some Saints blogs or message boards or just watch the guy play and you'll see how frustrating of a player Devery Henderson is. He can take the top off the defense with ease but has some of the worst hands in the NFL, hence he's never become anything in the NFL. It's amazing how so many fans overreact to a couple of dropped passes by Hill this season. Yes, he had a huge drop vs New England. He was a rookie. He was the rawest WR in the draft last year, as even Collinsworth has said Hill is one of the rawest WR's he's ever seen come into the NFL. Give him time to develop and prove himself. Demaryius THomas didn't come into the league and light it on fire, and as you saw he struggled with some drops earlier in his career. It's not like Hill is an 8 year veteran notorious for having brick hands, a la Devery Henderson. Why are we so quick to rip into guys and declare them busts?
Very bad comparison. You're comparing guys who have had about 5x or more targets then Hill? Really? A better stat would be drops per target. Hill literally drops almost half the balls thrown his way. He had at least 8 more drops that weren't even counted as drops too. Why would you even compare to Demaryius Thomas as well? The guy had more catches in one year in college then Hill had his entire college career. Just another draft blunder by the Jets in drafting workout warriors as opposed to football players. He may as well pan out but he was nowhere near a safe pick as Thomas was coming out of the draft. I wouldnt get your hopes up, because you will most likely be disappointed and not to mention, he doesn't currently even have a NFL caliber QB anyways.
Good, then your biggest issue is a non issue. Just about every receiver in the NFL does that kind of stuff. I mean seriously. How often does he do that a game? twice, maybe 3 times?
I was not comparing the # of drops those guys had to the # of drops Hill had. If you read what I wrote, I was basically showing how overplayed the "dropped balls" stat is because all receivers are going to have drops and those that see more targets are going to have more drops just because the volume of balls throw their way. I think this is typical NY overreaction to a guy who is very raw dropping some balls in his rookie year. I think Hill was a pretty unpopular pick with most Jets fans to begin with because there wasn't a ton of tape out there on the guy and the fans wanted a bigger name guy or a different position, and now fans who disliked the pick are jumping at the chance to declare him a bust. The only thing I agree with you on is that Hill doesn't have a QB to get him the ball, so we may never know if he's a bust or not. Until they get a QB in here who can consistently win for you in the passing game, all of your receivers are going to look like garbage. Thomas was a safe pick in the 2010 draft? McDaniels was ripped for taking Thomas over Dez Bryant - the WR that everyone believed to be a top 5 talent with a 10 cent head and poor attitude/lifestyle. It was a big risk considering the college production, the broken foot Thomas suffered, and the fact that McDaniels was basically banking on a physical specimen with potential over the proven game changer WR that had production to back it up in Dez Bryant. As for the Thomas comparison, it's not as far off as you think. This is Demaryius Thomas' NFL.com profile for the 2010 draft: NFL.com 2010 Draft Profile - Demaryius Thomas Those are a lot of the same things that have been said about Stephen Hill from the route running, to the drops/lapses in concentration, to the freakish measurables/speed/physicality.
That combined with him dropping the ball every first down kills time. If he has a 10 catch game that's like 50 seconds of him dropping a ball standing there.. Now 50 seconds may not seem like alot but usually we don't win games easily and we need that time in the end. As far as the complaining for a flag the play clock is running on that end so the team has to wait for him to get to the huddle then call a play. Its all valuable time we lose.
If we scored early, then those seconds at the end would not matter, plus Holmes doesn't do it after every catch. Only after big first downs. 50 seconds, my ass. 5 seconds at most. It shouldn't take any longer than when receivers just leave the ball on the ground after catching it. The ref still has to go to the ball and put it at the line of scrimmage. He also does not do it when time is running out. All receivers do similar things when they catch a big first down. It's not a big deal, but fans just hate Holmes for no reason because of it. What about when Welker or some other WR makes a big catch and then spikes the ball that flies off into the side lines? That's way worse than simply dropping the ball near where you caught it. But it's the Jets and Holmes so people focus on it, despite how unwarranted that may be. That's really grasping at straws claiming he's wasting 50 seconds a game. :lol:
Jake Steinberg John Idzik's first signing as #Jets GM? A wide receiver. The #Jets have signed former USC & Cincinnati WR Vidal Hazelton (@Vidal_Hazelton7).Jake Steinberg Hazelton was one of Mark Sanchez's favorite targets at USC. #nyj ----- And some Wikipedia information on him... USC Hazelton arrived at USC as one of the nation's best players and one of USC's biggest pickups of the recruiting season. Hazelton saw time in only two games his freshman season, as the Trojans ended up going 11-2 and winning the 2007 Rose Bowl against Michigan 32-18. Hazelton played backup to Dwayne Jarrett and Steve Smith, two of the best receivers in the nation, and only accumulated one catch for eight yards. He also had a run for seven yards. Hazelton was expected to start the 2007 season for the Trojans, along with junior Patrick Turner, and in spring practice Hazelton impressed observers. He entered fall camp as the top starting flanker on the depth chart. Vidal made an outstanding one handed touchdown catch against Idaho in USC's first game of the year. He finished the season as USC's leading wide receiver in 2007, catching 50 passes and scored four touchdowns. Hazelton's 2008 season with USC was not as successful. After catching five passes, he suffered a high ankle sprain in the season opener against Virginia. Once he recovered he found himself unable to climb back into the starting line-up. The arrival and rise of Arkansas-transfer Damian Williams, along with continued production by senior Patrick Turner and sophomore Ronald Johnson, pushed Hazelton into the role of a seldom used reserve. Further complicating matters, Hazelton's grandfather was diagnosed with cancer, and he desired to be geographically closer to him. On December 2, 2008, Hazelton asked for and was granted permission to transfer to another school. After leaving, Hazelton noted "USC is a great place. It's filled up with athletes. If somebody's not 100 percent they've got to pass them up. I would have done the same thing if I was the coaches at USC." Although Hazelton was from New York, he lived most recently with his grandfather in Georgia. By mid-January, Hazelton was leaning towards Cincinnati. Cincinnati Bengals After going undrafted in the 2011 NFL Draft, Hazelton was signed by the San Diego Chargers on July 26, 2011. He was waived by San Diego on August 30. He later signed with the Cincinnati Bengals practice squad on December 27, 2011. He was waived by the Cincinnati Bengals on August 31, 2012. Tennessee Titans Hazelton signed with the Tennessee Titans practice squad September 3, 2012.
That IS true guess we will have to just evaluate Hill for the next 3 years.. I hope he can devlope hands and good route running he just needs mentoring I wish we had someone on the team who could do so.
I don't know if anyone brought this up already but I don't see how Hill fits in a WCO. Aside from the hands issue, there's the lack of knowing the route tree. He was brought in with the premise that we would be a predominantly ground and pound offense with vertical strikes off play action. That's out the window now.
