Poll: what kind of stats does Sanchize have to put up to remain a Jet after next seas

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  1. ArmandJ

    ArmandJ Well-Known Member

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    Does he insist that Sanchez is the best QB evarrr on there?
     
  2. Ben Had

    Ben Had Active Member

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    Oh yea!!!!
     
  3. alleycat9

    alleycat9 Well-Known Member

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    gotcha... what is he arguing about over there?
     
  4. socaljetfan

    socaljetfan Active Member

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    I'll take greater than 2-1 at this point.
     
  5. Ben Had

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    His latest is that the 2009 & 2010 Jet teams are amongst the NFL elete.
     
  6. alleycat9

    alleycat9 Well-Known Member

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    hehe, gotta love him.. those elite 9-7 teams that dont make the superbowl. but like you said it has nothing to do with reality only with trying to get people to argue with him. and he sure does pick some good topics to be a part of.

    we should see what he thinks about abortion or the death penalty.
     
  7. NYJetsMetsCTHuskies

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    http://www.nfl.com/videos/auto/0ap2000000120920/What-to-do-with-Sanchez

    Great video about Sanchez... Average at his best... Needs a lot of talent around him for the chance to win... Bringing in a starting QB should be number one priority...

    Don't listen to these stupid Sanchez fanboys... They know nothing. They are so deeply in love with Sanchez that they will defend him anyway possible.
     
  8. devilonthetownhallroof

    devilonthetownhallroof 2007 TGG Fantasy Baseball League Champion

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    And this is why it's very, very stupid to use team wins to measure an individual player. You can't have it both ways. You can't say Flacco has won because of his team and then use wins to determine which QB is better.
     
  9. tbruner12

    tbruner12 Well-Known Member

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    One thing is for sure, junc won't say nacho is better than flacco! Flacco did lead his offense to the Super Bowl. His run game didnt produce shit, he had to pass his offense into the Super Bowl. His defense gets half the credit, but his running game was nil! Unlike taco who got carried by his run game. Did I mention he made it to the Super Bowl? So now since flacco is there, and nacho never did who is better? I would take him over nacho any Sunday!
     
  10. TNJet

    TNJet Well-Known Member

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    Best and truest post of this thread.
     
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    I don't disagree with that but Rice and Pierce combined for 100 rushing yards and made some beast plays down the stretch. I wouldn't exactly describe their performance as not doing shit.
     
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    This point is something I've been thinking about for a long time. Let's look beyond the Jets & NFL. In the other popular team sports like baseball, football, basketball, etc. the media and audience both slap on that "winner" & "loser" label. There's this need for outsiders to look at a group's success/failure and find a leader/scapegoat. Not sure if it's because it makes things easier for outsiders to analyze. Or maybe it's because many look for authority figures (for stability) in their own lives and therefore assume every group's success/failure is based must fall on that team's "leader".

    We accept it as a team sport but the credit for success/failure still needs to be centered around an individual. As if the purpose of a team sport is not for one group to beat another in a show of teamwork. Instead it's for an individual to show he's better than everyone else in a group.

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    Would Baseball's Ted Williams be a choker or loser is he had the same exact production in today's era for a team that never made playoffs? or a team that kept losing in the World Series?

    Coming back to NFL, Elway was labeled as someone who can't "win the big game". Dan Reeves would argue Elway wasn't a choker in some of his press conferences (this question was rarely brought up though). Then at the ending of Elway's career he teams up with a monster RB and picks up 2 SB. Elway way past his prime lost those negative labels but he wasn't even the best offensive player on those two SB teams.

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    tldr;
    back on topic: "QB gets too much credit for winning & too much blame for losing."
     
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  13. azhar80

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    Def not true! Jets vs Pats was a great mix of pass and run, but the passing game was more efficient and effective. Jets averaged 4.1ypc and produced 1 rushing td with Greene as the leading rusher with 76 yards. On the other hand Sanchez threw for almost 200 yards and produced 3 passing td's. Sanchez def had out played Brady that game, but our defense obv had a lot to do with it.

    Lets give credit where credit was due and Sanchez in his 2nd year on the road gave it to the Pats, stop acting like it didnt happen. That was a great performance on the road for a young qb. Lets not forget in the. Playoffs Sanchez def held his own against some great teams on the road.

    If we want to say he had a crappy year this year that's accurate, but let's not let the hate/ anger change what he did in the playoffs. Lets call a spade a spade that's all.
     
  14. matt robinson 17

    matt robinson 17 Well-Known Member

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    Watching game last night, can't help but laugh at people who compared Sand-shit to Flacco....
     
  15. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    hahah, the worst of finheaven joining w/ the worst of TGG. priceless.
     
  16. Ben Had

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    Just like the worst of TGG joining with finheaven...priceless:beer:

    Have a nice day!
     
  17. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    The only times wins come into play is when QBs have comparable talent. Peyton and Brady have had comparable talent, Manning has actually had more talent and done less so I compare them. Someone like Marino rarely had talent and was carrying mediocre talent.

    In this particular discussion the talent around mark has completed eroded(healthy talent). Did he ever have a Ray Rice? Did he ever have a deep threat like Smith? he had a nice big target in Braylon like Flacco has in Boldin.

    Flacco stepped up, 3 of his last 4 postseason games have been really, really good. Congrats to him and Baltimore.


    Ted Williams played ONE postseason series. It was 7 games and he had a poor series but that's one series, it's not like ARod who has been terrible year after year after year in postseason(w/ the excpetion of '09 where he was great and the difference in the Yanks winning a title).

    QBs do get too much credit and too much blame but that's the way it is. Brady had a million chance syesterday and failed, he's failed a ton since his last SB win, Peyton has failed even more. Big time players need to step up, if they are losing 34-31 that's one thing, they did all they could but 13 pts for Brady isn't good enough, just over 14 PPg in playoff losses isn't good enough for Peyton.



    yeah b/c mark didn't do almost the exact same thing on the same field 2 years ago against a better Pats team as a bigger underdog w/ less talent around him.
     
  18. azhar80

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    This very true, & I think the media is responsible for making a team sport more abt a few players. For instance the Super Bowl is now the HarBbowl, it's not the Ravens vs the 49rs is Ray Lewis vs Pat Willis, and Flacco vs Kapearnick, & Rice vs Gore.

    So if the Ravens win it's all due to Lewis, Flacco, & Rice nobody else lmao... And that means Kapearnick, Gore, & Willis lost not the 49rs. The media loves heroes and scapegoats. However the truth is there is a oline vs dline, special teams, coaching, refereeing etc that usually helps the TEAM win or lose.

    The system a player plays in usually determines how successful they will be for example if you look at the Broncos running game with T. Davis and on they were successful with and without him. Even the Patriots were Successful without Brady when M . Cassell took over remember that? That is why coaches are so important. Look at Parcells wherever he went he was successful even with the Jets lol.

    What im saying is that there is more than a player who wins or loses the game. The media just focuses on certain players. Example would be Tim Tebow, a backup qb on a team is usually hardly mentioned throughout the year but the Media's infatuation makes him more popular than your leading players. It's sad bcuz fans are being taught who to like and dislike. There is so much to say but I've said enough.
     
  19. matt robinson 17

    matt robinson 17 Well-Known Member

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    He won????????
     
  20. Murrell2878

    Murrell2878 Lets go JETS!
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    He's one of now 2 QB's ever to beat both Manning and Brady in the same postseason
     

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