Why are we starting at 2004? That seems kind of arbitrary, and awfully convenient for your argument. Since 2006, Brady has been better than Peyton, and has definitely accomplished more in the post-season. If you want to look at this year specifically, he got farther than all of them, and also outplayed most of them throughout the year. You could argue that Brady, Peyton, and Rodgers were all equally good. If you are going to look only at Super Bowl victories, you're going to get a very distorted picture of who the best QBs are. And even then, you have to pick the most convenient time frame possible to say that some of those guys are better then Brady. When Flacco or Kaepernick becomes the most recent QB to win a Super Bowl, does that automatically make them better than all of the above QBs?
heres the difference. peyton manning is a man. he had serious spine surgery and came back to still play at a high level. brady pulled that cuntbag shit sticking his leg in the air on ed reed, what kind of a sissy bitch does some shit like that. i could never root for a guy who does shit like that. that was the weakest pussy move i have seen in quite some time. i have real and true new hatred for him tonight. he has always been a bit of a douche but that play really spoke volumes about his smug bitch attitude.
From 2001-2004, the Pats were defined mostly by their defense and won SBs by frustrating good offensive teams like the Colts and the Rams. In 2004 they had Corey Dillon and a very good running game to go with that defense. Brady was more of a game manager then. After that, they became a QB centric team, concentrating on the passing game and building around Brady rather than the defense and running game. And ever since Brady became the emphasis (and I throw in Spygate), the Pats have not won a championship and Brady has come up with some poor post season performances. That is why I start after 2004. All this talk of a Patriot dynasty I hear all the time is BS. The Pats have not won in over 8 years now. Winning division titles does not make a team a dynasty.
Super Bowls are TEAM ACCOMPLISHMENTS. Football is NOT basketball. The QB can be the GOAT and never win a super bowl if his team around him fails him. Montana had the GOAT WR Jerry Rice to throw to. And even still, he could not set any worthwhile QB records or milestones. He was a system QB and gets overrated due to the SB dynasty.... but that has more to do with the team around him. Why does Montana get all this fame because of the super bowls, but nobody talks about Terry Bradshaw's 4 SB rings too? Why is he not the GOAT candidate? Terry doesn't have any legit records, but neither does Montana. You guys best of all should know how bad the dolphins D was back then. One of the Dolphins vs Jets games, Marino carried the team with 450 yards through the air and 6 touchdowns... ...only to lose 51-45 in overtime. All of the statistics point to Dan Marino being the GOAT. Marino shattered every single record a QB can possibly have. Do you not understand how big that is? He destroyed the record books. All with Mark Duper and OJ McDuffie to throw to. No Jerry Rice, no Randy Moss, nobody. What a joke. "Joe Montana was part of a great system. Dan Marino WAS the system." - Montana's 49er head coach BILL f'kin WALSH
Brady failed again but he is so far ahead of Manning it's still not debateable. Brady has so much built up from the first half of his playoff career and while he lost again he did win another playoff game while Peyton was one and done AGAIN.
And W/L is what you use and that's a stat and not even a QB stat. Here's how silly W/L is: Kevin Negandhi @KNegandhiESPN Since Joe Flacco entered the league in 2008, playoff win totals: Flacco 8, Sanchez 4, Brady 3, Peyton 2.. Throw in Eli with 4 there and Rodgers with 5 if you want. Yet Rodgers, Peyton, Brady, and Brees have been the top QBs since Flacco has entered the league. Eli, Flacco, and Sanchez are not even close.
The answer is obvious Peyton Manning is better at Quarterbacking and winning untainted superbowls Tammi is better at cheating whining and deliberately attempting to injure an opponent
That's really stretching the truth. And I didn't like that slide either from him. Cleats high at Ed Reed? Really. If it was Bernard Pollard, I would understand the slide from Brady. Trying to even the score.
Again(not sure why you have to post this in multiple threads)- he has not been a big time postseason QB in recent years but his overall resume is that of a big time postseason QB, at no point in peyton's career could you ever say that.
Tom Brady Postseason Career 2001-04 2005-12 Pass YPG 216.8 266.5 Int pct 1.0 3.3 Team W-L 9-0 8-7 Super Bowl W-L 3-0 0-2 Interesting how mortal Brady has been since '05.
I think I only posted that tweet in this thread? I'm not sure what the other one is. And I post a lot of tweets I find interesting so maybe you got it confused with one of those? And you still miss the point, it's almost like you ignore it. Why again is W/L a a QB stat?
Yep, defense got weaker and it canceled out him getting tremendously better. You play tougher opponents in the playoffs, so you rarely can keep your play and ppg game from the regular season going through the playoffs. You need a defense/ST/ run game to lean on when those defenses shut you down. Brady got the help last year against BAL when his defene picked off Flacco in the 2nd half, forced a punt, then stripped Lee Evans and defended the Pitta throw well so it was a long FG. The following game, he didn't get the help from the defense as the let the Giants drive for 3 scoring drives in the second half. 4 maybe if I remember correctly. The SB run in 07, same thing. He got help from his defense holding a gimpy Rivers to 4 RZ field goals, 3 from inside the 10. THe following week against NYG he didn't get the help and lost the game. The year before, he had a 18 point lead against Peyton. The offense slowed down and the defense couldn't pick up a stop. If you flip the script and go to the first 3 years though, you see Brady playing at a good to great level and the defense making the key stops.
The D's getting weaker don't absolve him from leading his O's to less points just like Peyton. The difference is Brady hasn't thrown away games like Peyton has so many times and and Brady has given his D's late game leads which they have blown unlike Peyton.
Peyton has given his team the lead in the 4th quarter 4 times only to have his defense blow it late in the game, so your last point isn't true.
hmy: Manning gave the Broncos a late lead against the Ravens which the defense blew. Brady didn't get the offense to score 1 point in the 2nd half yesterday.
It is true, he was handed 14 pts last week and threw away 7 so he didn't give his D anything. he left the field late w/ the lead but he also had a chance to end it and failed. That's very different than Brady going 80 yds to give his team a 4 pt lead in the final minuts in SB XLII. -The Jet game in 2010 he needed ONE 1st down and failed. -The SD game he needed one 1st down and failed setting up SD w/ great FP in a FG game -The Miami game he led us O to 3 pts the last 3 qtrs of the game.
he was handed 14 pts- w/o it he has no shot. he then gave 7 of them back, if he doesn't do that Den easily wins. His 3 TOs led directly to 17 pts in a 3 pt loss. Even w/ the first 2 TOs if he just gets another 1st down they win.
