Tom Brady has a lost 3 home playoff games by 19, 7, and 15 points. Peyton Manning has lost 5 playoff games by 3, 3, 4, 1, and 3 points. Random stat totals that don't mean anything but when I post them side by side they look terrible for one QB. Like I said, the conversation is gonna exist for a long time. Neither has shut the door. And how much do 3 years about 10 years ago play as the trump card?
As someone else already said, Manning only led his offense to 21 points. Brady led his team into halftime with a lead, then came out and had three drives in a row stall because of reasons completely unrelated to him. First Welker dropped an easy first down pass on 3rd and something, then Solder got called for holding on a 3-man rush on what would have been a first down to set up 3rd-and-long, then Ridley fumbled the ball away (can't really blame Ridley for that either, it looked like his body involuntarily went limp). Then on his fourth possession he got an unlucky interception on a tipped ball. Brady certainly didn't play great, but I thought he played okay. He just didn't get many opportunities or much help in general.
Since beating the Eagles in the SB in January 2005, Brady is a Peytonesque 8-7 in playoff games with zero SB titles. He is 3-5 in his last 8 playoff games, all of which have been played at home or a neutral field and the Pats have been prohibitive favorites in all 8 of those games. Plus, he is coming up small in these games. He played poorly in the two SB losses to the Giants, the loss to Baltimore in 2009, the loss to the Jets in 2010, and the win against Baltimore in the AFC title game last year. He was not very good today either, barely completing 50% of his passes and throwing two picks. The comparisons to Montana are a joke. The comparisons to Manning are valid and it is debatable who is better. Brady is a playoff compiler, not a playoff winner. Since 2004, the Pats are football's equivalent of the Atlanta Braves of the 1990's. Division titles by the bushel, but no championships to show for it. If Brady were losing to teams that were better, like Elway did early in his career, that would be one thing, but he loses year after year to teams that the Pats should beat at home. Take the tuck rule play away in 2001 and John Fox's inexplicable decisions to attempt two point conversions in 2003, and Brady is left with one SB title. Plus the Pats of the early 2000's won more with defense than with Brady.
Those things happen to every QB in every NFL game. The 49ers missed a FG and fumbled on the one yard line, but Kapernick put up 28 points. How many of Brady's drives are extended by the same kind of stuff happening to the defense. Personal foul penalties for glancing Brady's helmet, defensive holding and illegal contact and pass interference. There is not a team in the league that has received more opportune calls than the Pats since 2001. Yet they still lose the big one, year after year after year.
Sanchez had about 10-15 of those "unlucky" turnovers this year -tipped passes and fumbles by injured players. He never got a pass for them.
Brady gets no excuses or sympathy here so bring it somewhere else. He is very affected in pressure situations ever since he doesn't know the opposing defense before the snap. I don't ever want to hear his name mentioned in the same breath as Montana either because it's fucking stupid. He should share a special place in the sports hall of fame with Lance Armstrong.
The Pats had 6-7 opportunities in the red zone and came away with 13 points. I'd say he had his opportunities. And his clock management at the end of the half was awful. Any other QB fails to call timeout in that situation gets skewered.
Manning is a team by himself. Brady is also very good but a close second at most. Yet, Mr Argumentative nyjunc says Brady is ahead of Manning by far. Brady my ass. Manning is the best QB of this generation. Period.
I'm not complaining that the tipped passes and bouncing balls didn't go our way. Mistakes and poor performance definitely played a bigger part in the outcome today than luck. I'm just saying that, in judging Brady's performance today, you can't forget all of times matters were taken out of his hands by his teammates mistakes. You have to look at everything, not just the point total at the end. I called the tipped interception "unlucky", but I'm certainly not complaining about it. They happen. One unlucky play isn't going to affect the outcome of a game unless your team plays poorly enough to let it.
*clears throat* HahahahahahahahahahahahahaAh!!!!!!!!!Look at this fuckin guy!!!!!!!! (To be clear, I'm only laughing that at the idea that we can excuse Golden Boy's failures while acting like Peyton hasn't experienced the exact same things.)*** ***Actually I'm totally laughing that the Pats got beat tonight, AAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Peyton Manning is not overrated, he is usually underrated. If Tom Brady is considered the greatest QB all time, I agree in the overrated. If he is considered ONE of the great QBs ever, that's accurate in my opinion and Peyton can be considered that too.
Peyton Manning is a much better QB. Wins and Losses have to do with a lot more than just the QB, look at the games nacho won in years 1 and 2.
All week long, all I heard was how Brady was the greatest QB of all time after passing Montana for playoff wins. I heard pundits on the NFL Radio saying they would choose Brady if they had to win one playoff game. And I'm left thinking how Brady hasn't won anything in 8 years now and has lost numerous playoff games where his team was a prohibitive home favorite and was the victim of one of the biggest upsets in NFL history in the 2007 SB. Brady is a great regular season QB, but he has been mediocre to poor in the post season the past 8 years and that puts him in the same class as Manning and nowhere near Montana.
Since 2004, the following QBs have won SBs: Roethlesberger - 2 E. Manning - 2 P. Manning - 1 Rodgers - 1 Brees - 1 Brady - 0 How does this make Brady better than these QBs??????
its funny cause they are always in the playoffs, yet have only been to the superbowl twice, and lost both times since the taping scandal. the worst part is that the media is so in love with the pats that all we ever hear about is the good, never the bad about the pats, about how wes welker is not a big game player by any stretch of the imagination, how not paying a runningback might be a mistake, how the supposed defensive mastermind of bill belichick hasnt fielded a top ten defense in how long?... perception is not reality vindication for us jet fans who have been saying they aint shit for so long. i was so pumped when rex said he wasnt here to kiss beli's rings like everyone else in the nfl world is so content to do. fuck the pats
I agree he is very close to Manning and will always be tied. If you heard he was the GOAT then yes, overrated in my books. If you heard he is ONE of the GOAT, then I think that's true
