Will our defense regress in 2013?

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  1. RutgersJET

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    I'd like to start a discussion about how the defense will perform for the upcoming season. We have lost our DC, LB and DB coaches to the Buffalo Bills. We're definitely going to be seeing changes on the defensive side of the ball, the question is whether it will be a positive or negative change. As far as players go, the D-Line is essentially unchanged. There are huge question marks for the LB corp. Bart Scott,Calvin Pace, and Bryan Thomas are sure to go. On the secondary we have Revis coming back and Cromartie; however one of these players may possibly be subjected to a trade.
     
  2. wildaces

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    Our linebackers were our weak link last year (2012). If we are able to pick up a free agent, and hit on a draft selection, our defense will be better than 2009/2010.

    I am also concerned with the NT position. Pouha, is too old, and haven't seen enough from Ellis. What I have seen from Ellis, he will complete our 3-4 DL.
     
  3. RIPJimLeonhard

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    Scott, Pace, and Thomas were dead weight that will be replaced. Coples will be hopefully making major strides in his second year and he and Wilkerson will hopefully make a deadly combo. Revis will be back which should help the secondary.... I do see us getting weaker at Safety though, seeing as we may lose Landry which will hurt but hopefully fixing up the LB core will help enough to make this defense elite again.
     
  4. laxin

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    If we spend the high draft picks and what minimum cap room we will have to develop an actual offense, then yes, Im sure it will regress some what. If we continue to spend high round draft picks and much of the cap and FA on the defense, then no, it will not regress.
     
  5. IIMeanDeanII

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    I highly doubt it, considering Rex is still at the helm. It would take a lot for a Rex Ryan defense to be average/below average.

    ..but

    It's way to early to tell, it all depends on the roster moves that are made and how well Idzik replaces a lot of the loss we will surely endure on both sides of the ball.
     
  6. NFL

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    Depends.. we'll need the LBs to make up the loss for Landrys 99 tackles. We should resign Bell, even though he is getting really old.
     
  7. tank75

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    we didnt lose the db coach, hes the new dc
     
  8. Section 336

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    Will it regress a little bit? - probably yes.
    New coaching will take some time to completely learn the system/players they have.
    If Revis can return to his top form it will probably take some time.
    Cro will most likely will not play at the same level and return to his self.
    The D line should continue to develop nicely but at LB, god only knows what is going to be back there.

    The big key is you could bet that any available resources (picks etc.) have to be allocated toward working on the dreadful offense and as laxin already stated that will affect the D.
     
  9. CBG

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    It is very hard to answer this question without all the pieces in place. DC is gone but there is continuity there,,,,,,but we most likely will have a very different look at LB,,,,could have Devito n Pouha gone,,,,and then we most likely lose Landry .

    I think we need all the pieces in place to give an honest answer, just too much change for me
     
  10. stinkyB

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    Can't answer this question before FA / Draft....... The LBs were the wink link on Defense, so losing them may be addition by subtraction. There may be growing pains @ 1st, but it's a move that needs to be made
     
  11. xxedge72x

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    Too early to tell. If the Jets get a pass rusher in the draft then in theory the defense should get better. If they lose Landry then it might regress. We'll see?
     
  12. Falco21

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    If we lose Landry I don't think it will regress, only if we draft a pass rusher. With Cro playing the way he is and Revis healthy, our secondary can be deadly. With a consistent pass rusher, it makes the secondary even more effective. The loss of Landry wouldn't look so bad if that happened.

    We need a pass rush, plain and simple. We've needed one for the longest time. An outside linebacker pass rush.
     
  13. xxedge72x

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    Seeing as how the Jets cap is in disarray and how Idzik has a reputation for being a part of a well run cap, I wouldn't be shocked if we go into next year with only one of Revis, Cromartie, or Landry.

    I'm somewhat expecting a purging of the roster this offseason.
     
  14. Falco21

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    No way. Idzik helped build that Seattle defense. He knows a defense when he sees one, and he is not going to let Revis and Cro go. Teams dream to have a corner like Revis. To have 2 top 5 corners involved in one secondary is impressive as shit.

    Landry will probably go, but I do not see him letting Cro walk.
     
  15. xxedge72x

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    Seattle's defense is extremely fast and balanced. Their corners are arguably as good as the Jets but those guys were obtained through the draft and Seattle doesn't have an enormous amount of cap money tied up in them.

    The Jets managed to finish 2nd in pass D without Revis. Rex's strength is obviously coaching defense, secondary in particular. You're not going to invest 20% of your cap in one position. Just won't happen.

    That said, if you think long term beyond when Rex may potentially be gone, then resigning Revis might be the right move and trading Cromartie, who is arguably a product of Rex.
     
  16. Falco21

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    I don't think Seattle's corners are anything near ours. Revis is arguably the best corner to ever play the game and Cromartie has become a complete shut down corner. Seattle doesn't have that. Hell, Ryan was throwing all over their secondary last week.

    As to them taking up 20% of our cap, I agree with you on that, but something will be restructured. Idzik will settle the bullshit Revis had with Tanny and they will restructure something that is a little easier to swallow. Revis will retire a Jet, the question becomes, where will Cro go? I think he will be here next year as well. Like you said, the defense was 2nd in the pass, which had a lot to do with Dennis Thurman, imagine what they could be with a healthy Revis on the other side?

    Your points are valid, I just can't see them breaking up that tandem just yet. That would be sad if they did
     
  17. Br4d

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    Under normal circumstances there would be a major roster purge with a new GM coming into play. I'm not sure how the cap situation will effect that. If there's a new Director of Pro Personnel I think you get a big make-over even with the tight cap. If not the wave may wait for a season. Rex is a big factor here but the fact that both safeties are free agents and the Jets need to overhaul the LB corps may lessen the effect he has on the roster.

    If the Jets play the angles correctly they'll move Cromartie during the free agency period to free up some cap space and get another pick or two in the draft.

    Revis is anybody's guess at this point. He kind of breaks the rules that most talent decisions are made by. The 3 franchises that Idzik has been associated with all had good to great safeties. The Bucs had Ronde Barber. I have no idea how he views a shutdown corner's value.
     
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    We still have Karl Dunbar, we still have Dennis Thurman, and we still have Rex Ryan. I definitely see an upgrade at linebacker, but we need to see what our new GM has in plan for defense this off-season.
     
  19. Endlessly Counting

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    Why will it regress? Its hard to imagine that we can't upgrade the LBs. Wilkerson & Coples are likely to improve. DB was a strong spot last season...either Revis will be traded and DB is status quo from last year, or Cromartie is traded, Revis resigned (an upgrade) or Revis is not resigned but he plays for a contract and has a monster year (which means, when added to last year's group...a big upgrade).
    Key question is replacing the talent level @ safety. But Rex's system will be in place. So why should we expect a regression?
     
  20. jdon

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    they finished second in pass D because they finished something like 26th in run D.
     

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