Because the Broncos defense was busy allowing 29 points per game in drives that went for like 16 plays and chewing almost 10 minutes off the clock. Only so much an offense that still finished middle of the pack can do when a defense doesn't bother to stop... well... anybody really. Tebow couldn't stay on the field even when the defense was actually getting off the field and holding opposing teams to 10 points. Statistically, every stat got worse except for the running game. Fancy that!! The running game gets better when you remove a quarterback and insert another running back. ...and Tebow's offense only averaged about 17 points per game. the 2010 offense averaged almost 20. Not sure where you got your numbers, but their points per game average was almost CERTAINLY not 10 or less.
I don't know where you got your numbers, but they're wrong. The Denver Offense with Tebow as starter in late 2010 averaged 25 points/game. The Denver Offense with Tebow as starter in 2011 averaged 18.69 points/game. That's a difference of almost 7 points. Like I said. You might want to get some new batteries for your calculator. Or just stop trying to intentionally mislead people. As for the rest of what you said, I have no idea what you're talking about. Denver's Defense allowed 31.66 points/game in Tebow's 3 starts in 2010, and they allowed 24.46 points/game in Tebow's starts in 2011. And you know what, your passing stats are going to suffer a little when you're throwing the ball on 10% less snaps than the previous year, and throwing 10% less of your completions to tight ends and running backs than the previous year. Despite that, 2011 Tebow had only half a % less TD % as a starter, and 1.5% better INT %. And when you're running the ball that much more, and running on 3 plays in a row that much more, your 3 and out % is going to suffer a bit, too. Shocking, huh? So, can you try again to give us the reason why 2010 starter Tebow scored almost 7 points more per game than 2011 starter Tebow? And try to make a coherent argument this time. 'Preciate that.
Passing stats are ALSO going to suffer when you throw the ball into the dirt more than half the time. His scoring stats got worse, because he regressed. They wree afraid to let him throw. They actually called more passes, but he tucked it in and ran it almost a quarter of the time, as much as a third. So it looks like they called run run run punt all the time. Sometimes it worked, sometimes he got sacked. he took a lot of those cuz he hung on to the ball too long. So the stat sheets didn't count those as pass attempts. He did a little better in 2010. But that was a much smaller sample size. If you took a couple games out of 2011, he would have averaged almost 30. Teams didn't prepare for him much in 2010, he wasa bit of an enigma. Plus, all 3 teams were bottom feeders just looking to finish the season and go home. The last 3 games were like a 4th quarter of a final pre-season game. i wouldn't take too much stock in what he did then. Also, your 18.6 points per game for Tebow are a bit inflated. If you take away a couple of pick sixes from the Denver Defense and a couple of kick returns by the special teams, you get closer to 17. I know, I know, Tebow "inspired" them with his will to win and intangibles. He was also the beneficiary of a couple of them in his 3 starts in 2010 as well. That will REALLY inflate the score total in a 3 game sample. So that doesn't work for you either.
The stats I posted are actually able to be backed up with numbers/data. Yours isn't. Try again. Wrong again, Sherlock. He averaged less than 1 more rush per game in 2011, but more than 6 less passes per game. So, he threw the ball 23% less often in 2011 than in 2010, and they scored 25% less points in 2011 than in 2010. Kind of eerie how those percentages darn near match up, huh? - Tebow Rushing Attempts per Game in 2010 Starts: 9.38 - Tebow Rushing Attempts per Game in 2011 Starts: 10.33 - Tebow Passing Attempts per Game in 2010 Starts: 27 - Tebow Passing Attempts per Game in 2011 Starts: 20.84 Let us know when you can back up that claim with some proof or numbers. If the #1 and #2 Pass Defense teams in the league that year are considered bottom feeders then I'd sure hate to play against the guys who were actually good on Defense that year. Dude, you're reaching so far your arms are about to pop off. :rofl2: Of course you wouldn't, because it doesn't support your facts and your anti-Tebow meme. Oh YAY, the IF game! I want to play. Let's see....okay, here we go. IF D. Thomas didn't drop a TD pass and IF Prater didn't have a chip shot field goal blocked, the Broncos would have beaten Chicago 20-10 in regulation instead of 13-10 in OT. Wait, wait, I've got a better one: IF Peyton Manning hadn't benefited from 2 Trindon Holliday Kick Return TD's last weekend, the Broncos would have lost by 14 points in regulation instead of by 3 points in OT. Man, I think I've got the hang of this.:lol: Let me know when you're ready to start a discussion using facts and real numbers instead of speculation and innuendo. Didn't your daddy ever tell you not to bring a knife to a gunfight? Try to give me a little challenge at least. Sheesh.
you forgot the best one....If I had 3 wheels I would be a tricycle! man alive...JFjets is just handing out the beatings.....
He got less rushs AND less passes? Wonder if that has anything to do with more three and outs? Yeah, teams figuring out he can't throw and stacking the box with 9 guys had NOTHING to do with that. Tell me. Why did Fox throw the ball a lot more with Orton in, and that took a big hit once Tebow took over? The obvious answer you just CAN'T accept is that he can't throw worth a shit. So they ran. Even in 2010 when he was "allowed" to throw as you put it, he was still throwing at around 47%. Ain't gonna cut it in this league, and deep down, I know you know it. What, numbers from a rediculously small sample size? Or numbers from a much larger one (almost quadruple the size.) I think the much larger sample size shows more about where he is at. ...and you only reach for stats that make Tebow look like he might actually be a pretty good QB. Not to anyone who saw more than just the hilights. Oh YAY, the IF game! I want to play. Let's see....okay, here we go. As for the rest of that Broncos stuff... what does any of that have to do with Tim Tebow. That last playoff game was an epic FAIL by the Broncos on so many levels. Oh..... I suppose you think Tebow woulda had them in that game and would have won it... You guys really think that was some sort of a victory for Tebow? he might not even be in the NFL in another year.
More rushes, less passes. His passing stats in 2011 weren't that much different than in 2010, on average. Some better, some worse. Yet, you still haven't been able to explain the extra almost 7 points scored in those 2010 games. Those games where he threw the ball almost 25% more than in 2011. Kind of counterintuitive to say he wasn't an effective passer when his reduction in passing by almost a quarter was accompanied by a reduction in scoring by....almost a quarter. It is unfortunate for you that your mouth doesn't have a "Reverse" gear. Orton also had less passing attempts per game in 2011 under Fox than in 2010. Interestingly, he scored almost exactly the same amount of points per game in both 2010 and 2011, despite throwing less. Given that information, one could easily make the argument (and I have, multiple times) that Tebow was not only a very efficient scoring QB as a passer, despite his completion %, but was also much more valuable to his team as a passer than Orton was. Let's talk when you acknowledge all the sub-50% passing games that Andrew Luck had this year and weight them with the same "certainty" of future performance you've done with Tebow. We'll see then whether or not you put as much importance into completion % in general as you claim, or whether you make a special dispensation against Tebow in that regard. I watched every play of every game. Nothing at all. Just reminding you for the millionth time that if you want to play the IF game to make Tebow look worse than the stats indicate, then I'll be more than happy to play the IF game to make Tebow look better than the stats indicate. You just say the word.
Hell, let's just stick the dagger in him already. Andrew Luck was considered the most "pro ready" rookie QB to come out of college in decades. Most say that he had a "great" Rookie season. Here are his stats. Andrew Luck: 339 of 627, comp % of 54.1%, 4374 yds, 23 TDs, 18 INTs and a Passer Rating of 76.5 Tebow 2011 126 of 270, comp % of 46.7%, 1730 yds, 12 TDs, 6 INTs and a Passer Rating of 73.2. Notice the disparity in number of attempts between Luck and Tebow. Let's take Tebow up to 627 attempts and see what his numbers are. Here's the math breakdown. Luck attempted 627 passes to Tebow's 270, a difference of 2.32. Multiply Tebow's completions, attempts, yardage, TDs and INTs by that 2.32 to "normalize" his stats with those of Luck. What you get is: 292 of 627, comp % of 46.7%, 4017 yds, 28 TDs and 14 INTs. Luck threw for about 350 more yards, but Tebow would have had 5 more TDs and 4 fewer INTs. This doesn't even factor in the possibility that Tebow would have had better "rhythm" if he had been able to throw the ball more often earlier in games as only 13.6% of his attempts came in the 1st Q, 19.9% in the 2nd Q, 20.6 in the 3rd Q and a whopping 43.1 % came in the 4th Q. Coincidentally, his QB rating was highest in the 4th Q @ 84.0
You have me convinced. Tebow is just as good as Andrew Luck ... probably better actually. Now go get these stats out to the NFL GM's quickly.
how does a video about a RB that has Wildcat plays drawn for him (which is what the Wildcat is -- a set for the RB to line up as a QB), have anything to do with Tebow, who is a QB and lines up like a QB (which makes any play he lines up as the QB not a Wildcat formation, simply a standard QB formation), who then runs an option play?
This has to be the second most pathetic Tebow forum ever. Aside from the one that these droolers post on regularly. Hey, did anyone hear about Tebow's new line of headphones? His business partner is Ludacris. A fine god-fearing individual. Maybe he is trying to introduce hetero into his "brand".
Didn't say that he was as good as Andrew Luck, just that his stats would have been similar. Luck is a much better passer overall. Tebow benefits from his running ability and how it forces teams to defend him differently. This opens things up for him vis a vis passing the ball. He doesn't face the same small windows that other QBs would face. Similarly, RG3, Wilson and Kaepernick benefit from this as well.
you are assuming Tebow would have matched the pace of TDs and INTs. But this is very flawed. Most of his good stats came in the last 5 minutes of games, and it looks like that good fortune wasn't going to last when more and more teams stop going to the bend but not break philosophy at the end. Throwing at about 33% in the first 3 quarters, and having just over HALF the QB rating most of the time is pretty damning, especially if a defense sticks with the plan that stopped him for 3 quarters in the 4th. Plus, his horrible accuracy does not lead me to believe he would only have thrown 12 interceptions. Then again, it might if almost half of his pass attempts aren't catchable for ANYONE except maybe a lucky fan in the stands. Plus, you conveniently left out the number of fumbles and sacks he had. Disproportionately high for the number of pass attempts he had, which didn't register on the stat sheets as a pass attempt, because the ball was never thrown. He also fumbled the ball 11 times in his 11 starts, losing 7 of them. So while his interception count was low due to the coaches being afraid of his dirt missiles wasting a down, the idea that he didn't turn the ball over or wasn't a huge liability in other areas is a myth. Low interceptions is nice. And for whatever reason you want to attribute that to, it is his best stat. But not the be-all-end-all you guys act like it is. it does no good when almost the entire game is spent going three and out. Does no good when the offense goes NOWHERE. No risk, No reward won't make his career. But of course Tebownuts will be the last to figure that out. ...but you don't have to believe me on that one until you guys dig a little deeper and finally realize why that magical 2011 season might be his last as a starting QB. Keep spinning the stat numbers though, guys!!! I think a GM is about to buy into it. I can feel it!!!
There's so much ignorant and incorrect bullshit in your post that it's hard to figure out where to start. Might as well start with your opening. There's no reason to presume that he wouldn't have kept pace with his TD/INT ratio. Actually, there's more reason to think that it would have been even better. He had a grand total of 1 multi-interception game, the one against Buffalo where he got picked 3 times. In 7 of his games, he didn't throw a single pick. After the Buffalo game, lesson learned apparently as he only threw 1 pick in the next 3 games. As for fumbles, sure, go ahead and add them in. While doing so, you really need to add in his 6 rushing TDs as well. As to your claim that he was "throwing at about 33% in the first 3 quarters", it was 41.33%, but that's ok as I don't expect you to be too accurate with the facts, seeing as how you never let them stand in your way. BTW, defenses couldn't "stick with the plan" they used for the first 3 quarters as the OFFENSIVE SCHEME CHANGED in the 4th Q. If you actually knew anything about football, you would understand that. But, you obviously don't, and it hasn't sunk in any of the previous times that it's been explained to you. That, or you are just flat out lying, which, I really don't put past you.
CC all joking aside ( and I joke a lot in this comedy show ) demo is owning you ......your cronies can joke all they want but it wont be factual and backed up by evidence. , it will just be of the " but every GM ......" variety
