Rex Ryan = Herm Edwards

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  1. championjets69

    championjets69 2008/2009 TGG Darksider Award Winner

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    Duh when U R one of the dregs of the NFL U have to rebuild which is what we will have to do RR or no RR. In fact it would be better to exit RR now cause then the new HC can start with his plan 1 year earlier then waiting for the end of the 2013 season which means we would have lost 1 year in the rebuilding process :sad:
     
  2. supersonic

    supersonic Well-Known Member

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    Rex is better than Herm sure, especially on the defensive side of the ball. They are both the same in the sense that don't have enough offensive experience to be HCs and they are both rah rah guys and that crap wears off after time. Both of them are players coaches that the team never fear and thus neither of them were ever able to hold the guys accountable.
     
  3. TwoHeadedMonster

    TwoHeadedMonster Well-Known Member

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    I love evaluating a HC based on his first 4 seasons! Clearly that's all the information you need to know whether they're worth a damn or not. I mean look at BB's first four years: 31-33, 1 winning season, 1 playoff win. After 4 seasons RR is 38-32, with 4 road playoff wins.
    I'm not saying that means RR is going to win two hands worth of super bowl rings. I am saying that the Browns/Ravens might have been better off not firing BB, and I think it's pretty obvious that the Jets are better off not firing RR.
     
  4. alleycat9

    alleycat9 Well-Known Member

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    34 and 30
    4 and 2 in the playoffs
    and 2 afc divisional round playoff championships!!!!
     
  5. Mr. Green Pants

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    John Harbaugh has had to quell team mutinies in each of the last two seasons. A loss here, a loss there, the Ravens' 2012 season goes down in flames and the focus goes to Harbaugh "losing" his locker room. There's a very thin line between "brilliant leader" and "no longer the guy for the job". Personally, I think Rex deserves one more season to define which of those he is.
     
  6. supersonic

    supersonic Well-Known Member

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    Serious? Sanchez has been the starter for years. What happened to Cassell once he left? The pats have talent every year bc BB develops it and holds players accountable, rex does not. That is the point.
     
  7. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    What happened bb's first 5 years when he did much worse than Rex? Why didn't the browns have talent every year? Why wasn't BB developing and holding players accountable?

    Funny how Tom Brady, a good owner and years of experience can change things.
     
  8. supersonic

    supersonic Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, but Rex is in regression. He peaked and dropped. He did not improve from last year to this. He got worse. We got blown out regularly this year. Sure the players 'like' him, but they don't fear and respect him. He is not going to be a premier coach until he can 1. get respect 2. take responsibility for the offensive side of the ball. Until then he is just a glorified DC with a HC title.
     
  9. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    His talent regressed. No coach was getting more than 8 wins out of this team.
     
  10. Jon_Snow

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    You could say that about a lot of coaches. Did George Seifert or Mike Holmgren suddenly become bad coaches or were they over valued when they had great players and team under them? Take away extraordinary talent and they become ordinary coaches.
     
  11. Duck

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    They both

    Have IQ's below 90
     
  12. 94Abraham

    94Abraham Well-Known Member

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    Rex is partially to blame in lack of talent and the regression as well.
     
  13. 2insane

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    Bill Belichick=Rex Ryan

    We are now going to hear them brag about it. Back to back AFCC games:mad:
     
  14. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    This is really comical..he loses his best defensive and offensive players for the year, is forced to use Sanshit because the GM gave him a new contract so he wouldn't cry and some people think he should have won the superbowl...the ceiling on stupidy is forever rising around here.
     
  15. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    BB wins b/c he has Brady and they have developed a winning program. Remmeber ythey went 16-0 w/ Brady starting in 2007 then 10-5 w/ Cassell starting in 2008 against a MUCH weaker schedule.

    Sanchez has regressed as the talent has decreased around him, Sanchez is not Tom Brady. Tom Brady is far and away the best QB of his generation and top 5 all time(maybe top 3 at this point).

    Did NE make the playoff sin 2008? NO.

    BB w/o Tom Brady
    Cle 1991-1995
    NE 2000, first 2 games of '01, last 15 of '08)
    7+ seasons, 113 games
    51-62, 45%
    1 playoff app
    1 playoff win
    1-1 playoff record
    zero tile game apps
    zero SB apps
    zero SB wins
    2 winning seasons
    5 losing seasons

    BB w/ Tom Brady
    NE 2001-2012(minus first 2 of '01 and last 15 of '08)
    11 seasons, 175 games
    136-39, 78%
    10 playoff apps
    17 playoff wins
    17-6 playoff record
    5 SB apps
    3 SB wins
    6 title game apps
    11 winning seasons
    ZERO losing seasons


    136-
     
  16. Realistic Jets Fan

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    plus a million


    hopefully there are a few more realistic Jet fans around to counteract the Rex hater crowd of torch carrying nihilists
     
  17. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    Not a fan of either.
     
  18. supersonic

    supersonic Well-Known Member

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    You say the talent decreased. I say that WRECKS is not getting production form the talent he has. ANY idiot can blame the talent but only a great HC can win with what he has. It is exactly why Parcells came here in 97 and won with the same losers from the year before. It is also why he took a 3rd string QB and turned him into a world beater. If it is so talent driven why is it that when these 'superstars' from NE's program leave they NEVER do as well as when they were with the program? Talent plays a role but a great HC plays a bigger one. If you have a choice over the three best players in the league vs the best coach, you take the best coach every time bc he will most out of the players and the whole is always greater than the sum of the parts.
     
  19. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    Funny how you refuse to acknowledge the fact that Belichick had way less success than Rex prior to having Brady, yet you hold Rex to the standard of Belichick w/Brady. Give Rex Brady and I guarantee you the superbowls will follow.
     
  20. BrowningNagle

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    Give _(insert name here)_ Tom Brady and I guarantee SBs will follow..

    Rex IS probably like a young Belichick to some degree - he focuses too much on one side of the ball, a bright defensive mind but deficient on the other side.. etc.

    But Belichick is the anolomy. Hanging onto Rex because he could be like Belichick IF he stumbles upon the next Tom Brady is silly. It's like not paying your mortgage because Joe Blow down the street won the lottery and could buy a house with straight cash, and trying to do the same.

    I agree that QBs are probably more important than coaches for a team to be successful. Which is why I wish the Jets had a HC with SOME knowledge of the position. Whether that means the ability to hide your QBs deficencies/emphasize his strengths, the ability to develop your QB, or even just the ability to recognize/find talent at that position. Rex is lacking in them all.
     

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