My Revis conflict

Discussion in 'New York Jets' started by abyzmul, Jan 12, 2013.

  1. The_Darksider

    The_Darksider Well-Known Member

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    You forgot to mention the biggest flaw in Sanders' game: he couldn't (or wouldn't) tackle. He shied away from contact more than any superstar I can remember.
     
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    The_Darksider Well-Known Member

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    How do you figure? You are ignoring the fact that Revis can walk next year, and we don't have the cap space to sign him to a big deal without hamstringing the rest of the team (again).
     
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    We're not in cap hell? Please quantify that. Thoroughly.
     
  4. The_Darksider

    The_Darksider Well-Known Member

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    Work out a deal with Tampa Bay. They've got all kinds of cap space and their defense was putrid.
     
  5. Zach

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    Yes, I know it. Which is specifically why I gave out a guideline - #1 takes 9-10M/yr while #2 takes 4-5M/yr. If Revis doesn't like it, while Cro is willing to take that, then you move Revis. (If both want more than 10M/yr, you deal both.)

    There are some mitigating circumstances, which is why I still hold a little hope for retaining Revis (at a reasonable price tag)

    1. It's been shown all season long, that his presence at the back four wasn't missed.
    2. He's coming off a serious knee injury.

    Best CB or not, these two facts say Jets can live without him. If he intends to return to Jets, he'd have to consider that. If he STILL is stuck with that stupid 14m/yr dream, he had better take a hike.
     
  6. RuJFan

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    Looking at SEA CBs, I'm not sure Revis is still the best CB, especially after the injury.
     
  7. laxin

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    But the biggest difference is that Seattle's CBs make a combined 1 million and ours make a combined 20 million.
     
  8. 1968jetsfan

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    Didn't forget, I was just addressing their coverage game. If you want to expand that to include other facets then Yes REvis is by far the more physical CB. But then you also have to include Sanders as a kick/punt returner and in that department heads and shoulders above Revis.

    But then again, those two aspects are why I compared Sanders as being more like a more skilled Cromartie type player since for much of Cromarties career he's shyed away from contact.
     
  9. 1968jetsfan

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    Maybe, but it has to be to a team Revis is likely to stay there.
     
  10. Will-I-Am-Not

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    Revis is a problem unique to the Jets. What do you do with a Hall of Fame
    caliber player, who plays a position other than QB, LT, or elite pass rusher,
    who expects to get paid like all of the former, but can't impact the game the way they do?
     
  11. Ozymandias

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    you don't trade Revis for draft picks unless your getting a lot of 1's. however, trading Cromartie who played one of the best seasons of his career could net us a 2 and 4 in this years draft. Lions, Texans or Buccaneers could all use him.
     
  12. RuJFan

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    You trade Revis to whoever offers the most, for whatever is the highest offer. Otherwise he walks for nothing.
     
  13. 1968jetsfan

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    Part of the problem is I think a lot of Revis fans think he's as loyal to the Jets as the fans are towards Revis. That said I hope Revis signs a cap friendly extension this off season. But I'm not holding my breath, wouldn't even bet a penny on it :D
     
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    This line of thinking, that Revis will be loyal to Jets I think stems from their own loyalty to him. They project their feelings onto the fav athlete, believing that he is loyal to the fans just like fans are loyal to him. IMO, this shows some degree of immaturity and likely is the sign of recent fanhood and thus no-so-advanced age. To put it simply, anyone who believes that a player will stay out of loyalty is instant suspect to being a dilusional teenager.

    I would very much love it if Revis signed for something like 3 yrs for around $24M. The thing is that it's simply not happening.
     
  15. 1968jetsfan

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    I'd be okay with around 10-11M average, but any more than that it becomes very questionable.
     
  16. RuJFan

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    I don't think Jets can afford even that.
    Here is my ideal scenario.

    Say SF is beaten by ATL in a close game by another 3 pts. Someone in their front office might decide that having Revis would've meant win by a FG instead of a loss. SF has 11 picks in the upcoming draft. It's possible they might decide to "rent" Revis for a year. With team as complete as theirs, all those picks are luxury, not necessity. On the other hand, even if DR will leave after the season, they'll make a real run at the SB.

    In this scenario Jets might get something like 1st + 3rd + 4th, great price for someone you cannot keep.
     
  17. RevChez

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    Some of the arguments about not keeping Revis are absurd.

    1. Great CBs don't wear many SB rings.

    Well, if you're a Jets fan, you would know how important having Revis and Cromartie would have been in 2009 AFCCG against Peyton. We were within minutes of SB appearance and just needed some good CB play from our #2 and #3 with Revis shutting down everything in his vicinity. And all this with rookie HC, QB and RB.

    2. He's eating up too much space. That space could be used on the offense.

    OK, it can be. But here's the deal. Between Sanchez and Holmes, Jets are paying $25mil. Both these players don't deserve the money. Why come down hard on a guy that deserves every penny of his contract? Top five salaries on the offense will be counting $57mil against the cap in 2013 if no cuts. Thats plenty of money for 5 offensive guys I think.

    3. Great CBs win PB appearances, not games.

    I would argue otherwise. If there's anything we learned this weekend, its that having above average corners can cost u playoff games.
     
  18. Br4d

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    Yes. In a nutshell.

    Paying a WR like one of the above is also really hard to do and still compete but at least the WR is on the side of the ball that actually wins games most of the time. And he impacts every game at the same level. Put Revis out there against anything but a star WR and the Jets just lost big time in the cap battle. That would be the situation the Jets are in every time they face the Patriots.
     
  19. RevChez

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    Seems like you're fine with spending elite money to elite WR but not to future hall of fame CB. If Revis was matched up against Megatron all day long and shut him down to 4 receptions 40 yards no TD, which money would be considered better spent? $12mil on Revis or $19mil to Megatron?
     
  20. Br4d

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    I'm not fine on spending elite money on an elite WR. I'm just pointing out that spending elite money on an elite WR makes more sense than spending elite money on an elite CB. The elite WR will always take the field for you and have an elite effect on the game unless he is injured.

    The elite CB will often take the field and over-cover a guy that an average corner would have matched up well against.

    Megatron is a great player but one of the reasons the Lions have issues right now is that they are paying him a silly amount of money to play on the edge of the field. Same for the Cardinals and Larry Fitzgerald. The elite WR is a non-essential piece for a Super Bowl winner. No elites getting paid top dollar on the Giants, none on the Steelers, none on the Patriots. Those are the teams that live in Lombardiville. They're there for a reason.

    Who beat the Jets in 2009? Austin Collie. Who beat them in 2010? Rashard Mendenhall. How did Revis effect those player's performances on the day? Not at all, he was covering other guys. That's going to be the story of his career unless he somehow gets himself onto an already stacked team.
     
    #140 Br4d, Jan 13, 2013
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