There are several ways to look at the Jets 2013 season. 1) the team needs a few tweaks but can be competitive next season. 2) the team needs a major overhaul, but nothing drastic needs to be done this season 3) the team is several years away from being competitive again. Honestly at this point I'm of the third mind set. I think it's time to blow up portions of this team and go in to a 2-3 year rebuilding process to be competitive either in 2014 or 2015, depending on how the drafts work out and free agent movement in 2014. To me It's time to evaluate every spot on the roster and determine if they're in the plans for 2014-2015 run or not. If they're not I say cut them or, when applicable, trade them to clear as much 2014 salary cap as possible. to me when a trading partner can be found then trading is preferable to cutting, even if we have to eat part of the contract. For example if the Jets were to trade Sanchez they could pay around 7 million of his contract and still be better off than cutting him. They could pay about 1/2 his 2013 salary and still have the same cap hit as they have with him on the roster. Just an example mind you, but it would remove his numbers totally from the 2014 salary cap. Revis is a special case as well. It's actually more expensive to trade him than to keep him in 2013. But, he can opt out after 2013 and become a free agent. Now here's the thing, If we can sign him to an extension beyond 2013 it's a no brainer, as long as the deal is cap friendly down the road. But if the jets can't extend him consider this, if he walks after 2013 all the jets get is a 3rd round compensatory pick (for all intrinsic purposes a 4th round pick) AND they get hit with a 9 Million cap hit as his prorated bonuses for the 2014-2016 seasons would accelerate. Now I'm not sure on the cap rules for losing a player to free agency in cases like his, normally players go FA at the end of their contract and not because of an opt out. Because it's an opt out the Jets might be able to spread that over 2 seasons and not get the 9M all in one shot. Trading Revis isn't desireable from a pure football viewpoint, but when looked at with the overall picture it has to be considered. But I'm going to poll this, what stage is this team at?
Few tweaks can make us competitive. That tweak is finding a QB. Find a decent to above average QB, and every single one of our problems can and will be minimized enough to be in the playoffs.
a few tweaks there is no such thing as total rebuild anymore. 7-8 teams have qbs that give them the expectations of winning every year. the other 4get good fundamentally sound play from their entire teams to get in the p.o. like was said above. we get average play at the qb we can compete
"A few tweaks but will compete in 2013" sounds like a few players away from being a legit SB contender. And one of those players is not a QB, because thats a major change. I just dont see how many of you can sit here and think this team is only a few pieces away from challenging the Patriots, Broncos, Ravens and Texans. This is a team that has no QB and has lost 13 of its last 19 games. They also have only beaten a single team with a winning record in the last two seasons. Now, to me, that sure as hell isnt a team thats close to being a contender. And lets not talk like squeezing into the playoffs at 9-7 and then getting kicked out of the playoffs is contending. Because its not. Are the Bengals legit SB contenders? No. But they are a few pieces away from it. We are not. A QB like Matt Moore or even Alex Smith doesnt make us a legit SB contender, so why even bother? Why postpone the inevitable rebuild (which can take 1-2 years if you can find your franchise QB, which doesnt include Moore or Smith)? Do it the right way. Develop some talent on offense and cut all loose ends in terms of contracts and hopefully in 2014 you are in position to get a franchise QB while having the talent in place.
Realistic Jets Fan... Matt Moore is the tweak needed to make us a legitimate SB contender? Ha. I thought we were talking reality? You think Matt Moore is going to lead us through the playoffs beating teams like the Patriots, Broncos, Texans, Ravens ect? C'mon now, let's be realistic.
A Matt Moore type, an upgraded line and LB core could get the Jets to 9-7, compete all year where they don't make the play-offs but finish strong. At that point, the fans have to realistic and not punish the Jets for losing, call them losers or choke artists. Of course, we will get no credit for a come-back season and still get pounded in the media, and that could be a problem. And the Matt Moore type QB will not be the answer, so that question will linger. But a 9-7 record should bring hope for the future.
making the playoffs is competing. average qb play with this defense allows us to compete. being a favorite to win a super bowl requires an elite qb.going from sanchez to moore would be a "tweak" and if moore was average would let this team to compete. to go from sanchez to s.b.contender would take a major upgrade at the psoition and is probably not likely in the next 3 years
For me the team has to do the following to be truly competitive. Upgrade 3 of the 5 OL positions. Upgrade at least 1 WR position...this may take care of itself as younger receivers gain experience. perhaps upgrade the RB position..upgrading the O-line may actually take care of that to a degree. Upgrade both OLB positions. and of course upgrade the QB position. I'm thinking 2-3 years, meaning 2013 is a loss and possibly being playoff competitive in 2014, but definitely by 2015 season.
Team is in rebuilding mode for 1-2 seasons. The million dollar question though, is whether the front office wants to accept/embrace that or not. If they refuse to realize they are, then it might take a bunch of years to fix this and whatever mess comes from not realizing we should regroup. If they do realize it and starts setting the base up for 2014, then depending on how this year's talent develops, this team could have something cooking in 2014 á la this year's Redskins/Colts/Seahawks but with a better defense (if we still have Rex, which I hope). We have virtually no money, a bunch of players to get rid of, a bunch of key positions to fill, and a shitty draft year in terms of QB - the biggest missing piece of the puzzle. Anything but some sort of a rebuild year would just be prolonged retardation. You can and should, of course, die trying getting to the playoffs - I'm not a big fan of intentional sucking. But the priority should be to set up the team for 2014 and onwards. And one thing I'd really like to see, is having McElroy at the wheels for the full season next year. He costs no money, gets a chance to show what we have in him, and there's nothing but upside should he become something - if he sucks, we both get to find out and get better draft picks. Back him up with Moore (or Flynn/Sanchez/Tebow - however that situation unfolds), who also could take over if McElroy comes up with nothing, and do whatever it takes to get an NFL calibre offense for whatever QB comes in here in 2014.
Wow Compared with your incessant gloominess on anything and everything...everyone else on Earth is a homer. Go root for some team you don't despise already for godsake
Jeez...I swear the thread talked of competing...I must have missed the part where it said "Superbowl contender"... Matt Moore is the start of a competing offense...certainly a huge upgrade over the Turnover Machine and Incredibly incompetent backup of 2012
Squeezing into the playoffs at 9-7 because the rest of the AFC is a joke and getting eliminated by a real contender isnt competing in my eyes (and with this roster, I highly doubt we even come close to that). Like I said, we have beaten a single team thats above .500. Thats not a team only a few players away. Whats the point in hovering at 9-7, 8-8, 7-9? Why be content with that? This is a team that has cap issues and has one of the least talented offenses in the league. Im not exaggerating, its sadly the truth. Rebuild this team and do it the right way. If you only win a few games, but you get your franchise QB, then I am perfectly fine with that. If it takes 2 years to rebuild this roster into a legit contender, then thats what you do. Hovering at .500 does nothing and no fan should be content with that. "Competing" to me, means competing for a ring. If you are not, then what are you doing? What does winning 8 games on average do? Honestly, look at this roster, do you expect more than 8 or 9 wins max next year? I see a 6 win team at most, especially considering our schedule. Like I said above, do this rebuild the right way. Let it sink in, because thats what should be done. If you are not realistically competing for a ring, you have to identify that (example A being the Jets) and you have to build a team that can compete in the future. Signing aging vets, stopgaps and plugging holes doesnt do much for you long term. And since when is Matt Moore all that and a bag of chips? The guy would not even be close to average. He probably wouldnt turn the ball over as much, but he's no savior at the QB position. He probably be a 22-28 QB in this league. Lets no make him out to be something he's not.
Well said, I 100% agree. Not realizing rebuild mode would only set us back even farther. We could potentially compete in 2015 and maybe even 2014 if we get a franchise QB.
I voted for rebuild only in 2013. we aren't going to have our answer at QB next season, that won't come until the 2014 draft.
So only two teams a year are competitors and the other thirty are losers in a rebuilding mode. I got it now. As for Moore a FA the Jets can afford without pissing away draft picks who would be an immediate starter in 13 and based on the last two seasons when he shredded our defense for Miami wins at Met Life...a terrific option to make the Jets competitive. Oh I forgot you want us to trade for Rodgers Brees Brady or Peyton so we can meet your definition of competing
