Anything I say doesn't ring true. You don't think they will let the new GM dump Tebow? After all they were the ones who brought him in don't you think it only be fair for them to take the blame and own up to their mistake? I remember Woody saying mid way through the season he like Tebow here for his entire contract. You think it's unfair of me to expect them to have the courtesy of cleaning up their own mess instead of having someone else do it? They had their opportunity at the last press conference but evaded any question about Tebow future with the Jets. Rex has never given us honest answers about Tebow and treated him pretty poorly. He deserved to start the last game of the season but they couldn't even afford him that after Sanchez performed like he did.
Shouldn't be taken at face value. Why show interest in an asset that could potentially be let go and had for nothing
It's going to be really hard for the Jets to keep Tebow because of the cap issues. If they can convert him to TE or H-back and actually put him on the field a lot then it's possible. The only other scenario that would play out in NY is if the Jets decided to go spread-option next year and play him as the QB. I make that a very small chance but I guess anything is possible. It's obvious at this point that he has no value at all as a backup QB because the team has to totally change the offense around when they go to him.
Exactly, it's unlikely Tebow has a future in New York. New GM has no ties to him, he's more expensive to keep, and clearly Rex has no faith in actually playing him, so what's the difference between him and a veteran's minimum or rookie minimum guy?
Actually, the problem is that you rather ignorantly DID take all those quotes out of context to try and make your point. Let's go back to what you said: "But... But... He's a former first round pick! He MUST be a first round talent!" Now, just a quick example: You dig around and find the following: Someone else: "Hey, where was Tebow drafted?" Tebow fan: "Tebow was drafted in the first round" VanderbiltJets: "See! See! Right there ! Someone talked about how Tebow was taken in the first round!! This proves my point!!!". OF course, you completely ignore the context of the exchange and you also ignore that none of the statements even come close to supporting the second part of your statement, the "He MUST be a first round talent!"
I can't "take them out of context" when the context is one click of a blue arrow away. I provided several examples when I only needed to provide one, and I'd be more than happy to prove an example's legitimacy in order to disprove the notion that it's never been said. Backup QB's "All of this with a 1st Round Draft pick sitting on the bench" may as well have explicitly called him a first round talent; if that's not what he implied then he's mocking Tebow (but as a Tebot he's incapable of such behavior).
Isn't the new GM job to come in and clean up the old GM mistakes? Who gives a shit who cuts him everybody know who mistake it was bringing him to NY.
That a single click of the blue arrow would show anyone who cared to look that you did indeed take the statements out of context doesn't change the fact that you took the statements out of context. As for Backup QB's statement, you are wrong here on two counts. First of all, it wasn't Backup's statement, but rather, Bannon's. Secondly, it did not imply that Tebow was a first round talent, either implicitly or explicitly. Here's the post that Bannon replied to (btw, just to help you out, you can tell that he was replying to this post because it's the one that was FREAKING QUOTED in his reply.) Now, where in that post does Bannon make the claim that Tebow MUST be a first round talent ? He doesn't. What he says is that it was completely natural and understandable that DENVER FANS were calling for him to be put in as the starter given how poorly Orton had been playing for quite some time. Being a first round draft pick establishes expectations. It does NOT establish that a person MUST be a first round talent.
Sorry, but you are wrong. If the abilities weren't justifying the pick then there'd be no reason to play him, it's not as though first round picks are guaranteed starts despite the high sunk cost. To imply that someone deserves to play because they were a first round pick is to imply that said pick was justified (ergo first round talent; it's the same circular logic that drives fans to call for a first round pick to get PT). Mentioning he's a first round draft pick who deserves a shot to start regardless of anything else is self-defeating and moronic. The point is that when Tebowites get desperate they look for ways to imply that he's better than he actually is. Enter the "first round" tag.
Good lord. Most people around here don't think Tebow was worth the 4th round pick that the Jets gave up for him. But, it would be completely logical and rational for someone to have said "Hey, we gave up a 4th for him, might as well see what he can do". Also, Bannon wasn't stating or implying that Tebow deserved to play. Read the fucking post. It's not rocket science. Here, I'll post it again and this time I'll give even more play by play commentary to spoon feed it to you. Here is GreenMatt's post: Statement is pretty self explanatory, but I'll go ahead and explain it to you anyways. When ANY starting QB sucks, EVERYONE is enamored with their backup. Why ? Because they doubt that the backup could be any worse. We saw that this year with Sanchez and everyone screaming for either Tebow or McElroy to replace him. You did read some of the news articles that talked about fans chanting MCELROY ? Bannon responded to this post saying the following: The first sentence is Bannon agreeing with GreenMatt. The second sentence talks about how everyone seems to have forgotten the very concept GreenMatt mentioned and instead, fixate on the billboards and the supposed circus of Tebow fans. The first sentence of the second paragraph establishes how bad the Broncos were with Orton at QB during Tebow's first year. The second sentence describes how they started off 1-4 in 2011. The third sentence is where he says "all of this with a first round draft pick sitting on the bench". Guess what ? He's talking about fan expectations the entire time. As GreenMatt said, everyone loves the backup when the starter doesn't succeed. THAT is the CONTEXT of the discussion. It in no way implies that Tebow MUST be a first round talent, which is what you are claiming. Here are your words, just to refresh your memory:
Why ? I made the claim that you took the quotes out of context, you chose which one you wanted to argue to defend yourself against my claim and I proved you to be totally wrong about it. One would logically think that you would have argued your strongest case first, and it was readily disposed of. Unless you can establish that any of the other quotes weren't taken out of context, I see no reason to waste any more of my time in proving a point that has already been well established.
Probably good for his fanbase too. They've been in denial as to why Tebow wasn't getting starter time and why teams aren't all but tripping over themselves trying to make him their franchise player. Tebow will now be forced to analize what the problem is, and maybe he will even figure it out and fix it. If he and his followers are going to continue to insist there really is no problem and the issue lies with everything and everyone else.... he's going to be long forgotten within the next couple years as a QB.... or even an NFL player. (Except as a punchline.) Some say he can ONLY learn on the field. Not in practice, and not in the film room like most do. There is merit to that. I once read an article where his mother was speaking on his dyslexia.... http://www.christianpost.com/news/tim-tebow-opens-about-dyslexia-affecting-nfl-career-79418/ Basically needs a different method of teaching. He needs to experience things to learn. Simply watching does him no good. If that is the case, then perhaps it is time for him to swallow his pride and either switch positions.... or play in Canada for awhile. There have been players that went either route and came back and had decent NFL careers. It is clear the current course isn't working though. Time to make a decision on what is more important. Being an NFL QB, or expanding your "platform." Neither is the WRONG option, but it is becoming increasingly evident that he's not going to get the best of both worlds. At least, not until he manages to establish himself as more than a stop-gap or package player. Besides, the guys writing his paycheck don't realy care about his brand or his platform.
You know, Caldwell said that they are fine with what they have? I'm sorry but Blaine Gabbert isn't the answer and Henne is a bum. Need to get a new QB there weather it is Tebow, Moore, or heck trade for Sanchez if they hire Schotty!
And.....? Would this be the first time someone had a plan, watched it turn to shit, and then changed their mind? Tim Tebow is not the first guy in the NFL to be told something and have it not happen. Get over it. Or was this a suicide pact that says he HAS to live up to this promise even though hit is clear the relationship has gone south and the plan simply isn't going to work? People do change their minds when they get more information, you know.
The point I'm trying to prove is one instance of a Tebot labeling Tebow a first rounder with the implication that he's a first round talent or that the pick was justified. Plenty of quotes left to sift through. But I don't blame you, the catfish quote was in response to me so you have little to argue about it. But yes, Tebots have never EVER used the "first round" label to prop up Tebow /sarcasm
