Ok but the D allowed us into a 17-0 hole and I still don't believe he fumbled. The D set the tone by allowing Pitt to control the clock and score early. Can we give Pitt any credit for the goalline stand? we got w/in a score w/ plenty of time to play. The "great" D couldn't allow 2 1st downs, they did and we lost.
I don't believe he fumbled either, hence the quotation marks around fumble in my OP. If we give Pitt credit for the GL stand, why can't we give credit to Pitt for running it down our throats? Also was this the GL stand we ran once then threw it 3 times? Supposedly Wayne Hunter was tipping the plays. The one where Sanchez (surprise surprise) got a pass batted down or tipped. It was the culmination of all our offensive problems at the worst possible time. The great defense pitched a shutout and provided 2 points in the second half. The game is completely different if we score on the GL though because it becomes a one score game which didn't happen until the safety, we got the ball back, and then had to score a TD. The offense produced -7 points in the first half and the defense let up 17, they both no showed for the whole half. In the second half, both units responded, but neither played perfect in the second half.
New England had the 1st ranked offense and our D held them to 11 points through 3 quarters. Sancho did throw 3 short passes in the red zone for Tds, and Greene won the game going away with a 16 yard run! Didnt our D pick off a Brady pass that was returned58 yards to help us big time? 20 out of 25 passes were again short. Harris's pick was on the 1st NE drive, and they were driving to score. Ellis sacked Brady in the red zone on 3rd down to make it 3 to nothing. A shitty punt by mezko set up our first score at the NE 49. Nacho made his only play of the game as the O caught NE with their pants down on a 37 yrd completion. A bad decision on 4th and 4 by Belichek gave us our next score, aided by a 16 yard run byLT! Nacho threw a short pass to Braylon and he ran it in for 14-3 halftime lead. Sancho didn't do shit in the 3rd, but on the first play in the 4th he hit cotchery on a short pass and he ran it 58 yards to the NE 13. NE in the box looking run, santonio catches a7yrd TD! From 12:55 until 5:19 NE had the ball in the 4th qtr, and didnt score! From3:29 till 2:00 NE got 3 points. New England onsides and Cro returns it to the NE 20. Greene puts it away on the 16 yarder.
what? The SD game was better? 93 yards is better? And numbers don't mean anything? All I can say is, if your Qb is great, and clutch in the playoffs because he can hand it off successfully to his backs then what an assessment! Even when someone shows you that in his so called good years he was carried, you say he led us....wow!
You guys are amazing there is a reason the Jets have not had a Franchise QB since Namath. No matter who the QB is there will be an unrelenting amount of fans and media that will not be happy until the QB fails. I think a lot of the bashing poster are not actually jet fans but come on here to rile up the faith full until there negative predictions happen then pile on. I have never seen anything like it. Sanchez is loved one second hated the next Rex is loved a few weeks ago hated today. Luck would not be luck in NY he would be proclaimed a bust if he had the weapons Sanchez had. Flacco would have been run out town as would have Freeman. Expect they would be the worst QB ever not Sanchez. Sanchez sucked most of this season no doubt but to say he sucked in 2010 or the first half of last year is disingenuous at best. Sanchez was progressing as expected (for someone with his experience)until this season yet the fans are relenting. What did the Jets do for him? the answer is nothing. They go get Tebow and a bunch of scrap heap WR and draft a project wideout. Maybe a vet QB with a good running game could have succeeded with that crew but not Sanchez. Top that off with a first time OC that turned out to be clueless and you got probably a non recoverable Sanchez. The best thing for this Franchise is for Sanchez to be successful. Lets see if he can he has earned that. Lets not throw the kid out with the bath water as teh Jets like to do.
they "pitched a shutout" down 24 pts, they set the tone for the game. before the O even took the field half the 1st qtr was gone and we were down 7-0. They both contributed but the D killed us more especially since the O gave us a chance to win late and the D couldn't stop Pitt from getting 1 or zero 1st downs like a biog time D should be able to do in that spot. The D played GREAT that day. I am not taking anything away from the defense but Mark Sanchez played a big time game too. Greene's tack on TD won us the game?:rofl: 3 short TD passes? yeah he had nothing to do w/ any of them. The INT return resulted in zero pts as Folk missed the chip shot FG. his only play of the game? that play where he scrambled then redirected Braylon was the play that got us going and maybe the biggest play of the game. We could have settled for a 10-3 halftime lead but he made a nice throw to Braylon for the 14-3 lead. After NE scored to pull w/in 3 the next play he threw to Cotch in stride for a long gain and on another huge 3rd down threw a PERFECT pass to Holmes for the TD but yeah he made 1 play:rofl: What do you have to do to have a good game as a QB in the NFL?
I'm not tyring to insult you but you really don't have any idea what you are watching when you just spout off yardage #s from the SD game and act like Sanchez wasn't very good. Do you think Rivers was better that game? I have never said he led us, I always say helped lead us.
you know you still have to score points, right? the D played really well(against a choker at QB) but our O made plays too. We won w/ D first but w/o our O stepping up in key spots we don't win.
don't worry, I was being sarcastic and applying my junc filter. That is my takeaway from juncs logic. Sanchez is great, because he was there when we won. The stats are for fantasy league players.
I have no idea what I'm watching? Wow, it's not me, hell Chad Pennington was so much better at Qb than suckchize 50 times over! At least he had a brain, Sancho offers nothing at all to this team. A high school freshman could do what he does for 5.00 an hour! How do you really argue for Sanchez? Are you punking all the posters on this board, just to get us to argue against u?
I love Chad, one of my favorites of all time but he was 2-3 in postseason for us and never beat a team the caliber of SD '09 or NE '10. I don't think you realize how vital he was to those runs. Could we have had "better" QBs in the reg season and won 2 more games? Sure but then we would have been like SD or Atl who make(or used) the playoffs every year and never do anything.
that is not an accurate statement junc.. I watch the games, then evaluate the players based on their individual performance. The team gets the W or the L. Each individual player, gets evaluated, rated judged on their performance based on the position they play. For example. I can watch a game in which the kicker misses 3 chip shot field goals but the team outscores the opponent and wins. That team gets a W, and a way to go team. The kicker is a shitcan! Now, if at the end of the season. The team wins the SB, and the same kicker kicks the winning field goal with no time left on the clock, then raayyyy team! If that said kicker at seasons end, has a hypothetical 52% success rate on field goals, along with 5 blocked XPs, and another 3 missed wide right. My take away is, that kicker should be out of work, because he is garbage. I hope that example helped.
Here is your Qb's San Diego game other than handoffs. If he is to be included on these plays for our teams success it will be in my next post. Pass to woodhead for negative one. Inc to Keller Inc to cotchery False start on Sanchez with 9 sec left in 1st Inc to cotchery Short Comp to Richardson, he runs for 8 Short comp to Richardson, he runs for 4 Comp to Braylon for 21 Comp to Greene in backfield, he runs for 4 Inc to Keller Inc to Keller Comp to cotchery Short comp to Braylon, he runs for 20 Spike Inc deep to Braylon Inc short to wright Halftime
that example is a poor one based on all Sanchez has done for us but I appreciate the attempt at humor.:grin:
this tells us what? yopu do realize that not every "good" game by a QB comes w/ 300 yds passing, 4 TDs and o INTs, right? Sometimes it's the little things. This was a low scoring defensive game where the team that made more mistakes was likely going to lose. mark made multiple big plays for us, no not 60 yd passes like the average fan thinks but they were big plays. Down 7-3 on a 3rd and 10 from our 23 completd a huge 3rd down to Cotch. did we score? NOPE but this pass moved the chains and when we did punt it was from our 45 not our 23 and we pinned SD inside the 5 which resulted in the game changing mistake by "great" QB Philip Rivers. on the ensuing possession after the INT we faced a 3rd and G from the SD 2. 2 yd TD passes aren't sexy but e bought time w/ his legs and made an incredible throw where only Keller could catch despite 2 defenders around him to give us the 10-7 lead. next possessio up 10-7, 3rd and 4 completes to Cotch. Next play Greene runs it for the 53 yd TD. One little play changes everything, if we don't convert it's still 10-7 and SD has the ball, we convert then get a huge run and we are up 10 and never have to throw again which is why his yardage total was so low. after that play Sanchez didn't attempt another pass, Rivers attempted 12 more and had nearly 100 more yds added to his total. One QB didn't have to throw and his #s stayed down, the other one who put his team in position to be down 10 in the 4th had to throw and his #s inflated.
how can you say that is a poor example, it is about the stats. You questioned my commitment to stats, and I am showing you that the players individual performance can stink and teams can even win the SB. Do you think Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson are average, good or great QBs? I think they both suck actually. But, "they won the SB". Their career stats show that they were average to below average players. Sanchez has done NOTHING for this team, (single handed of course) When the time came for him to do so, (i.e, the last 2 seasons when the team was not as good as in his first 2) he has fallen flat on his face.
Dilfer and Johnson were both vital to their teams SB runs. Both teams won w/ D first but both teams needed quality QB play to win. I thank you for bringing those guys up, this hits on my point perfectly. Most fans think you have to have great fantasy #s to be considered a good QB but it's about more than the #s. Brad Johnson helped 3 franchises reach postseason, Dilfer 2. Have you noticed how many SBs Bal has been to since they let Trent go?
