Sanchez ? Mark ... f**cking Sanchez ... ??? Come ON !!! I'll readily come and "eat" crow the day Sanchez is picked up by anyone as a "new" project when he (Sanchez) is released from the Jets !
Well junc, I've always liked reading your thoughtful concise posts in the past, but I can't agree with you on Sancho in anyway. His so called good years all he did was not screw up cause they limited him. I won't go into stats cause you can't win any arguments here, including our playoff runs cause he was not the oppositions focal point. He was kind of like icing on the cake to an already playoff caliber team if he doesn't have to do much. He didnt, and I watched all the games. The concept of your defense of nacho making plays..... Well he's made less plays for the team, and much more for the opponents in his career! Put that to rest please. So if it wasn't for his contract would you have him on next years team? If so you must truly love him for more than football, please clarify, you are a Jet fan you know
Again, Sanchez threw for 2,400 yards his first season. Think about that for a second. 2,400 yards in a full season. Luck was well over 4,000 this year on a team with much less overall talent, particularly on the OL. This year, he did not crack 3,000 yards, probably the only QB in the league that played more than 10 - 12 games to not accomplish that feat. He still has on the biggest set of training wheels in the league, 4 years in to his "career." He is the worst tenured starting QB in the league by a mile and it is not even close. Given the simplictity and conservatism of this offense, he should never be anywhere near the league lead in turnovers.
I brought that up (his 2010 dropped INT's #) numerous times in 2011 and was blasted for it. It's funny to see his converted apologists and those who were always on the fence with him turn around and use those said numbers now. Proud to be a Sanchez doubter since Day 1.
He absolutely was NOT a top ten qb two years ago. He was the biggest weakness on a stacked team with an upper-echelon running game, upper-echelon defense, and upper-echelon special teams unit. He was at his best when he was asked to do the least, and even with the Jets striving to play around him, he was still decidedly mediocre. Get real.
One thing you don't seem to comprehend (or maybe, you just don't give a fuck about, which I somewhat admire) is that your stubborn, blind, and unwavering defense of Sanchez is making you into a laughingstock. Any objective, intelligent Jets fan who reads your "assessments" (I'm being kind here) of Sanchez either thinks you are: 1) Insane, 2) innately biased towards Sanchez for some unknown reason, or 3) a complete moron. Either way, your insistence on telling every other Jets fan in the world that their eyes have lied to them over the past four years is hurting your credibility. Your Sanchez related posts have become nothing short of cartoonish. It's painfully obvious to almost everyone (Jets fans and non-Jets fans alike) who watches the NFL closely that Sanchez isn't a franchise quarterback. You're telling people that Sanchez is something that he simply isn't. We all watch the games too, junc. The dude sucks and he holds this team (Your supposed favorite team) back. Let him go.
If you add his return yardage for the interceptions to that total I bet he cracks 3000. I'd almost bet that couple of the receivers have more tackles than a couple of the DB's.
Luck, a three year starter from Stanford (a top tier University), vs. Sanchez, a one year starter from USC. Not to mention Luck may very well be on a list of the finest QB's when his career is over. Why are you comparing apples to oranges?
Wow what a bunch of bull! Apples to oranges? Really? Luck is the kind of guy we need, not nacho! Stanford is now all of a sudden the reason of difference between the two? Luck was taught to be an NFL Qb in college, and Nacho wasn't? What's the next excuse? The lining in his mothers womb was too thin, resulting in his inability to be as good as Luck? Is that also the reason suckchize is so soft, and a total wuss? R u really a fan who wants this team to win?
Lol. Who cares? Does the fact that Luck started more college games make you sleep better at night? Sanchez in 4years has never shown himself to be anywhere near as dynamic as rookie Andrew Luck. Horrible draft pick by the Jets. His ceiling is effectively Alex Smith. That's sad.
You ARE using those very comparisons. I was replying to your comment. And yes, experience matters. Also, the draft pick is on the Jets - not Sanchez. As my signature says -- Why are we talking about Sanchez when the conversation should be on a franchise that picked up a QB with a handful of starts, whose own coach advised against him entering the NFL, and picked him up, staggering his development along the way with circus moves and head scratching decisions, though it was quite obvious given his experience that it would need to be enormous in effort to elevate him into a NFL caliber QB, relative to other QB's? (long sentence over) It would be great if Sanchez went to the Jets this offseason and restructured his contract - because he has played absolutely shameful, but also because he wants to prove that he still wants to be a NY Jet. That said - the contract and draft selection was 0% Mark Sanchez's doing.
we are all allowed to disagree, that is the purpose of the board but to say he did nothing isn't being fair. In 2009 he was more along for the ride in the reg season but stepped up in postseason and was vital. In 2010 he resuced us numerous times late in games to win, w/o him we don't even make the playoffs. Our supposed "great" D has had a bad habit of blowing late leads every year, Sanchez and the pass O overcame that in 2010 w/ 4-5 late game comebacks including a last second FG to win a playoff game. It doesn't matter who the focal point was, a QBs job is to lead his team to wins whether that means by exploding for a lot of points or simply not making the big mistake to cost your team. At no time did he have elite offensive weapons around him, he had good to very good weapons but never what Rodgers has in GB, Eli w/ the Giants or Peyton his entire career. I back him b/c I have seen that we can win w/ him, I've followed this team over 30 years now and it's rare to have a young QB that I know we can win w/. It was basically Chad and now mark and the fanbase has wanted to get rid of both b/c for them it's about more than winning, they want nice fantasy #s too. Much less talent overall? the first 4 games we started Chansi Stuckey at WR, where were our HOF WRs like he has? Luck has more talent in the pass game now than Sanchez has ever had. We had a better run game which is why we ran it more and his yardage was down. Usually QBs w/ more yards are passing more b/c they have to, Luck had almost 300 yds yesterday- was he good? he was brutal. he led his O to 9 pts. The least amount of pts mark led the Jets O to? 17. mark's first playoff game? near flawless leading us to 24 pts. This year his main weapons in the pass game were Jeremy Kerley, Chaz Schilens, Clyde Gates, Jeff Cumberland and konrad Reuland. You think Luck or any QB was throwing for 3500-4000 yds w/ this group? It was a dumb, subjective stat then and it is dumb today. They counted every pass that was tipped or a defender got their hand on as a "dropepd INT", it was a joke and again do we count all the dropped passes? the numerous dropped TDs? the 2 GB INTs that were not INTs? Our run game was average at best 2 years ago, our D was upper echelon but still blew far too many leads and he was put in situations to have to lead us back through the air and he did it all year long. I am embarrassed to be a Jet fan b/c we have the worst fanbase in sports. I don't expect to convert nitwits that can't think for themselves and need to see great fantasy #s to think a QB is good or need for "experts" to tell them whether a QB is good. I want to win, we have won big w/ him. If people watched this team this year and think it was all on mark they have no idea what they are watching and I cannot help them. If people would step back and look at things logically rather than the typical fan/media overreaction you'd understand Mark had nothing to work w/ this season. Was he awful? absolutely, he was as bad as I have seen in a long time but much like Boomer 1995 it wasn't just about the QB. if you don't have help you cannot succeed. Sanchez vs. Luck 1st playoff game: Sanchez: 12-15, 182 yds, 1 TD, 0 INTs, 139.4 rating, led O to 24 pts against 6th ranked D in pts allowed. Luck: 28-54, 288 yds, 0 TDs, 1 INT, 59.8 rating, led O to 9 pts against 12th ranked D in regards to pts allowed. do I think Sanchez is better than Luck or will be? No but it's hard to win in January and so fan the big stage seemed to be too big for Luck. I expect that will change and he'll be a big time QB and winner in January but there are very few of those guys and Sanchez is one of them. If we have enough talent around him we'll make the playoffs but that wasn't the case this year.
Junc, I have watched the Jets, and have never wavered since 1980. From Richard Todd up to Brett Farve, there has never been a worse Qb than Sanchez! The Cinncinati game of 2009 was his greatest game. Here you go using stats to spin your argument. How many turnovers did the defense force? Did you mention our run game had 171 yards rushing that game? During the whole playoffs was nacho playing like Montana? No he was more like Pennington. Then next game he threw for a whopping 93 yards, while the run game gave us 169. So tell me how was it he led us anywhere?
That's a crazy statement as we've had some bad QBs, if you want to say his 2012 was as bad of a full season as you ever saw I can buy that but again he had no help. The Cincy game wasn't his greatest game, SD was even better despite lesser #s. You can't just post #s, the game is about more than #s. he gave us chances to win all of those playoff games, Richard Todd had more INts in playoff game than mark in 6. Favre had almsot the same talent a year earlier and despite no Brady to worry about and the easiest sched we have ever had he couldn't even get us to the playoffs. It's not just about #s.
2010 Sancho sucked on opening day as the ravens exposed his weakness of being a wuss. After beating the patriots with a balanced attack and once again the defense caused our victory, 3 turnovers and 239 pass yards by Brady. He played like our Qb not himself. We proceeded to win 4 more games over chump teams before greenbay beat us 9-0 and we turned it over 3 times, two nacho picks. He was sacked only twice. Sanchez threw 26 short passes, sounds like Chad part two! We did manage to beat Detroit Cleveland in overtime but again Sancho threw picks and the rush game had as many yards as him and we won anyway. The dolphins and pats held the offense to 9 points in two games, Sancho throws 3 picks and the rush game had more yards against NE! We made the playoffs against Indy. Where they without any players?
Against Indy, they had the 23rd ranked defense and 4th ranked O. We won 17-16, and the rush game had 169 and 2 tds, Sancho 189 and a pick. Indy and hall of famer manning mustered 1 td. Didnt cromartie set up the game winner on a long return? Yep he did! Sancho didn't lead us down the field. 23 dinks and dunks that game out of 31 attempts. Cro's 47 yard return led to folk's 32 yard FG! So what plays did he make? Next game in2010...........
he did suck iopening day but the D did allow Baltimore to hold it for 40 minutes and convert a million 3rd and longs. That wuss bounced back and led us to a huge win over NE the next week. He was great against NE and at Miami, the D nearly blew the Miami game. The GB game was a defensive struggle and he had 2 INts that shouldn't have ben INTs when the game was 3-0. he led us back from 10 down w/ 4 mins left at Det after the D allowed Colt McCoy to tie it up late he led us to the W at Cle, we held the ball all 2nd half and most of the game and the D still blew it and our K missed 3 kicks including a 20 something yarder in the 3rd qtr. Against Hou the D blew a 23-7 4th qtr lead and despite no TOs and less than a minute from inside his 30 he led us to the GW TD He sucked at NE but allowing 45 pts isn't a recipe for success, right? He sucked vs. Miami but did have a huge dropped TD by Holmes he led us to GW FG(chip shot) at Indy, outplayed Brady in the div rd then nearly led us back from 24-0 down at Pitt but of course the D couldn't stop Pitt to give him one more chance.
Junc you have to also figure in Sanchez contributed -7 points in the first half of the Pitt game, it would have been 17-0 if he didn't "fumble" YOu also have to figure Sanchez and Schotty found a way to screw up 1st and goal from the 1 resulting in 0 points. The D then actually scored us 2 points to get us something. That Pitt game was a concentrated team loss, but where the defense and offense only showed up for the second half, but both units had back breaking plays in the 2nd half (1st and goal for 0 points, and pitching a shutout second half but not stopping Pitt on the last 3rd down)
