The plan is simple clean house, bring in a new GM and HC, DC, and OC, draft well, suck it up for 2013, hopefully 2014 we can build a winner. What we're doing now is not working, we are regressing in every area. Longevity and stability brings success but you need a winning formula at QB and HC before you go that route, we have neither. Look Rex is feeling it, it's obvious, he's not laughing, not burying game balls, not easy going, he's tense, stressed, not confident, the players feel that. Now he's a lame duck. I don't think Rex did poorly on defense, but considering pretty much every draft pick in his tenure was on a defensive player, most large FA purchases on defense he didn't light it up. Our defense was soft, it really was especially against the run, teams that get run on are soft defenses that's just a fact. But whatever Rex did on defense is completely trumped by how much he neglected the offense. Sparano was his hire, the drafts he works with Tanny, they've all been a disaster. Reckoning day will be in a year so whatever...
Jets allowed 37% of 3rd down conversions. Not great, but 12th in the league. If they cut down on 1 or 2 big plays this season, they would have been top 5 D again (without best player). That is correctable with some new blood at LB. lol you have no argument, only a personal axe to grind.. and your sig is about the most irritating thing on this forum.
The GM was here prior to Rex= roster decisions The GM was here with Rex=roster decisions How do both look? Did it get better with Rex? Or did Tanny just start tanking?
So your plan is to do what we do every 3 years, which has never been successful? Rex picked all draft picks, which were all on D? GM makes the draft picks, which many were made on offense. Sanchez, Greene, Ducasse, Slauson, Powell, McKnight, Conner, Kerley, Hill. They just were not the right picks. We need offensive talent, agreed. Until then that defense is only thing keeping this team in any game. Get rid of Rex and you remove that. You also would need to discard some effective players that fit his defense specifically, which would set us back even further. Rex has room for improvement. I'd rather see that play out next year than chase the next never was or former has been HC. This team needs a QB, and needs to start getting more effective via the draft. Until then, no HC will bring in a Super Bowl, so no point changing every 3 years when we have one with a winning regular season and post season record.
Your argument would have a lot more merit if any of those guys went on to do anything. With the exception of Carroll, who was a victim of Hess's wanting his hometown boy back, the rest of those guys suck and SHOULD have been fired. EDIT: I got so fired up that I forgot to add my point in about Parcells and Groh leaving on their own accord, and we can't be blamed for that. Also, listing Bill Belichick on there is bush league - he was offered the job, and walked away within a day. That doesn't count. The Jets' problem is that they hire bad coaches, not that they don't have patience with the ones they hire.
I don't have a personal ax to grind...lol I want the team to win, and I don't see it doing so with him. Once again, I say to you I DO NOT CARE ABOUT STATS. The stats don't tell the whole story. I sit and watch this team give up long 3rd down after long 3rd down, been doing so for 3 seasons. Your argument could go the other way as well - a couple of more big plays(which is just as likely) could mean they drop out of the top 10 altogether.
stats don't mean everything, i agree. just by eyeball, do you think the defense was the problem this year? i saw a playoff caliber d (and the stats back that), with a dreadful offense and surprisingly terrible ST. personally, i'd like to keep the course with the D, and ST shouldn't be too hard to correct. most of the ST woes were execution. Offense is where i'd focus on rebuilding, with effective drafting, new OC and stop QB for now. If there is somewhat competent QB play next year, and the team still goes 6-10, then i'd change up HC and fully go from scratch. But not after one losing season with dreadful QB play.
Oh hell no, the defense wasn't the problem at all. It's a good defense, just not a great defense, but it's good enough to get to the playoffs with a little bit of offensive help. Only thing is, my problem with Rex doesn't have much to do with the defense. But I don't absolve him of blame for the other stuff either - he's the head coach, not the DC.
One thing going unmentioned is the square peg factor. When you change head coaches..you change the team's vision. Everyone always talks about how the Jets don't have an identity.And they're right. But why is that? Well little things like good assistant coaches leaving w/ the latest departure. And constant rebuilds for schemes. Slow Lewis in Herm's Tampa 2, or Vilma & D rob in Mangini's read & react. It's all the same.
Yes he did Here are some people brought in under Tanny Rex, which helped turn back to bacl 9-7's into an 11-5: Tomlinson, Holmes, Braylon, Leonard, Scott, Weatherford, Folk & J. Taylor If we want to go player for player on the pre & post 2008 drafts , we can do that too. Fact is, the 2010 team, with the additions made by Rex (as you assume) was actually better than the 2008-2009 teams The fact is that Tanny did a bad job of replacing players, a he was hamstrung by his own cap-structure signings
we haven't had success for one reason, we haven't had a QB in 40 years, we still don't so back to the drawing board. stability is great when you have Tom Brady or Peyton Manning but when your franchise cycles through one garbage QB after another you will rebuild often. Rex isn't a bad guy, but he's a victim of Sanchez and Tanny at this point, he's a lame duck and this team will not be good next year so he will go. Hopefully we get a franchise QB if not we'll dry rinse repeat... Until we get a QB it is what it is.
Agreed w/your opinion about Schein BTW its almost the word for word opinion that Francessa voiced on Wednesday
Schein credibility >>>>>>>>>>>> Francessa credibility Francessa is an utta joke, with a clear agenda. I stopped listening awhile ago, but am tempted to call and ask why Perry Fewell isn't fired after 31st ranked defense just to rile him.
Unfortunately you are right. We pick #9, and there is no QB. Stars never align for this team. Rex will likely take the fall after next season, and its back to complete rebuild even on D. At what point does this franchise buck that trend? I think over/under is 8.5 wins. Under 9 and Rex is gone. Over 8 bucks the trend (long shot unless a scrap heap QB turns surprise). That's what i'm holding out for. A trend bucker. lol
None of these players show quality scouting or the ability to recognize football talent and develop it, which was one of our biggest problems. We traded draft picks for one year rentals and patched holes through free agency. Thats not how you build a team. LT and Jason Taylor right before they retired, 2 draft picks and I think players traded for Edwards who had a year and a half on his contract left and then walked, a draft pick for one year with Holmes who was then given the most ridiculous contract to a receiver practically ever and Scott was chosen over Ray Lewis and given a huge contract that he hasnt played up to in the past 3 years. Yeah, thats how you build a team... Yeah these moves might have helped in the NOW but they had no foresight and plan for the future.
Because there are other teams suckier than Jets...Doesn't give the clown who declared this was his best team a pass....
i agree with most of this. however, we were never gettting ray, scott was the perfect fit for installing rex's d. guranteeing this year for scott was a mistake but the 1st 2 years were worth what we paid. all the other 1 year rentals and replacing good talent with lesser talent sealed tanny's fate.
