...hard to say for sure, Rex Ryan never actually took a snap or lined up on defense. So, I'm going to say the same, or more, maybe less.
I'm thinking 4-12 was probably the most likely record in a vacuum without Rex. Specifically I don't think the Jets beat the Colts or the Fins in the 1st game without Rex's patented rookie rattling defense.
So you are saying the coach has no effect on the Win column, only the players... Interesting. Why are we wasting time on this discussion then? The coach has no effect.
i would guess somewhere in the 4-6 win range. The offense was just that awful, i don't see another coach doing better. Firing Rex would probably put us in that 4 win range for next year. You win games in this league with quality QB play. Without it, you better have a damn good defense. Completely changing gears right now will ensure another 2 bad years during a rebuild and continued search for a QB. At least with Rex, i feel we can stay somewhat competetive while we continue trying to find that QB. Give Rex a stud QB, and the team would be flat out dangerous.
I never said the coach has no effect of the games outcome, I said that Ryan did not play, therefore I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TEAMS RECORD WOULD BE WITHOUT HIM. I never liked Bill Parcells as a person, but I saw the difference he made on the team when he was on the sidelines. Great coaches make a difference. Average coaches don't
What exactly have we won? We went to 2 AFCC games and lost em both ? You want to hang your hat on that ? Maybe Sanchez and his 4 road playoff wins gets you warm and fuzzy also ?
When Rex took over Mangina's team he installed the #1 D and running game and took them to the playoffs with a terrible QB. Something Mangina couldn't do with a HOF. That's not a difference?
CBG: We had more playoff success in those two years then the last decade. That's worth something, specially when the main difference from previous teams was the coach. Rex Ryan is a good coach and not the problem, shitty offensive talent and old linebackers is. Until we fix those things we don't how far he can take us.
I do agree that Rex Ryan is a great DC, the Jets went from number 16 in total defense to number 1 in his first year. He is an average HC for all the reasons that have been pointed out here. His inability to improve the teams offense, especially when it was better before he arrived should weigh equally as his efforts to elevate the teams defense, he is after all, the HC, not the DC.
Schein also wrote in September that Rex will win a SB with the jets and for fans to be patient with him. What a hack Sent from my DROID3 using Tapatalk 2
if Tebow was Rex's idea how come he never used him? there is no evidence to support that assertion, and the writer doesn't provide any source to even validate that. considering that is the basis for his primary argument against Rex, his argument has no real merit. I'm not saying it isn't true, but it is speculation. and as speculation you have to at least have some level of anecdotal evidence to support it, and there is none. it just doesn't appear that Tebow was Ryan's idea at all. beyond that, you don't throw out a good coach because he is shitty at personnel decisions, you simply strip him of personnel decisions to be the coach. it is simple. but a GM that is shitty at personnel decisions has to go because that is his primary function. firing Tanny for being bad at assembling a roster in no way equates to firing Rex for being culpable. Rex's biggest mistake is playing Sanchez. on one hand, if he never wanted Tebow it is hard to blame him for not benching Sanchez in favor of Tebow. equally, being stuck with Tebow made it difficult to pass him over early in the season for McElroy. That being said, that is the coach's job -- to make tough decisions. We could have easily won 6 games with Tebow or McElroy, and if we had Rex would have gotten a free pass for this season with the argument that all of his QB's sucked because he at least gave them a try. but keeping in Sanchez gave us zero benefit in the win column, and zero insight into whether the other QB's could have done better. by doing so, Rex has no QB excuse to fall back on and deserves all of the criticism. if that is enough to warrant his firing than so be it, but that isn't what this article is about and why it is bullshit.
Great post & sums up exactly how I feel. All of Rex's issues are correctable..and when you look at the GOOD things he provides..IE Consistently top 10 defenses..you can justify letting him learn from his mistakes. Keep him away from personnel decisions/evaluating offensive prospects,make some changes to his PR policy & bring in a competent OC &the problems go away.
I agree that Rex needs a good OC. We should be focused on getting an OC, not replacing a coach whose strengths and weaknesses we know and can overcome. I think the criticism comes from the myth of the total coach. People on this board seem to think every coach can create an innovative offensive AND defensive playbook...That doesn't happen much. Most offensive HC have nothing to do with the D, but since they take care "of the important part" people assume they do everything. A lot of people want to fire Ryan or let a GM pick the coach. Gamble, the best GM candidate on our list, supposedly wants to bring in the 49ers DC to be the HC. Do you guys REALLY want another rookie HC? This guy is a DC, would he improve the O? His defense is littered with pro bowlers and his scheme is not as innovative as Rex's, is this a defensive upgrade? Would HE be a complete HC? I doubt it, that's why teams like the Browns suck. They rebuild every 3-4 years. This new DC will probably come in and be out in another 3 or 4.
This is the truth. That is why you don't replace him with some random guy who probably wouldn't even bring those qualities and still have his flaws.
We're 26th against the run, the Jets gave up well over 2000 yards on the ground this season. I wouldn't go crowning Rex a defensive genius this year, the defense was soft this year. Plus Rex is NOT the DC he is the HC, offense, special teams all sucked ass, he should answer for that. Considering Rex has drafted almost exclusively to build the defense and completely ignored the offense leaving us a mess makes it even worse. They say you can't judge a HC until 3-4 full years because then he's coaching his team, before that he's coaching someone elses team. If there is any credibility to that then Rex is a disaster.
i think total yds is more telling than just rushing yds when looking at a D. The D was fine this year. The O and ST were distasterous, so he does have to take his lumps for that. And Rex hasn't drafted anyone (outside of maybe Connor and Powell). GM does that, and they didn't ignore offense as you claim. Drafted Sanchez, Greene, Ducasse, Slauson, McKnight, Connor, Powell, Kerley, S Hill. Problem is, these were the wrong guys oustide of Kerley who was a good value pick.
The Jets 2012 featured one of the lowest ranked LB cores in the league, in a scheme that depends on LBs to make plays. You can't scheme for old age and lack of play making ability. The LBs were allowed to age and not replenished. To say Rex is not a defensive genius is to say that the D would maintain its current level without Rex, right? Does anybody believe that?
Great Article. I hope Woody will comeback and reload this shit cannon we call a football organization. We need real leadership, and balance. Right now with Rex we have neither.
We were awful against the run, and with Revis and Cromartie and the rest of our secondary I would imagine we would still be pretty dominant against the pass with a competent DC. The only saving grace for Rex was the play of Cromartie, without that the defense is barely middle of the pack. I can't call a defense that allows 2000+ yards on the ground excellent or the guy in charge of it a genius. Rex has poured almost all his resources into the defense and left us with that pathetic excuse for an offense. It's easy to be good at one defensive category at the complete neglect of everything else.
Let's be fair...Rex's defense got stops & the total yards rankings far outweight that of the run D. Not to mention, you fail to include the notion that the NT situation was very unstable. Both Ellis & Pouha missed multiple games & Pouha battled a back problem all season long. In fact, there were at least 2 games when the vastly undersized Devito had to fill in at Nose. Yikes.Hard to have a stable run D with ongoing problems at the nose.
