What indication did BB give that he was even a good coach before Brady fell in his lap after the Bledsoe injury. Let's not forget that the Pats stumbled on Brady and BB was a failure as a coach before that happened.
let's not forget it was the DEFENSE that let us down in both title games. If we had Brady we win at least 2-3 more reg season games and have a top 2 seed and bye which would have made it easier but those title game apps we didn't lose b/c of the QB.
Maybe he didn't give any indication (I could argue otherwise, but won't). That still doesn't mean it's fair to assume that any other sub-par coach is just as good, given what we now know. What indication did Brady give that he was a future HOFer before taking over the reigns in 2001? None. Does that mean that every other 6th round QB would have fared just as well if he were given the opportunities that Brady had? No. You can't just ignore the fact that Belichick has been more successful than nearly everyone else at his position, just because he benefited from some fortunate circumstances along the way.
Bill gets a ton of credit for winning with Brady before he became elite BUT he also deserves some blame for not winning when Brady is elite because he has had trouble drafting defense. Now it seems Bill has fixed this and maybe it comes together this season, but Bill is a great HC. You can say what you want about Brady, but he designed the offense, he goes for it on 4th down, he took Matt Cassell and went 11-5. Sure having an elite QB helps, but he won before Brady ever played at an elite level.
You must be a comedian of some sort. Brady, overrated? Please. The guy is an absolute machine. BB record before Brady - under .500 BB record after Brady - way over .500 Let's be real here, sir.
I know but keep in mind that Brady would have most likely gotten us more points than Sanchez did which would've taken the pressure off the defense.
What people don't seem to realize every coach who is considered great has had multiple losing seasons. The only exception is John Madden. Tom Coughlin had 4 losing seasons in a row at one point. . Belichik early on had 6 losing seasons out of 7. His carrer record was 36-44 before he got hired by the Pats. Rex has 1 now with Sanchez as his QB , Id say he did a pretty good job but no one seems to know anything about football history in the media. They act like Rex is the first coach in NFL history to have a losing . Rex has a winning record in his 4 years as head coach wake the fuck up people
Back when I joined this board, all you guys said Brady was a product of the system and not even that good of a QB. Now it's Brady that is the reason they always won and BB sucks! Priceless!!! Belichick's first SB team was FAR from loaded with talent. They were made up of spare parts top to bottom. You can make excuses for why he was successful after that and credit the talent and Brady, but you have to give that first SB to Belichick.
I have had this argument many times. I think he is a very very good coach do not get me wrong and you have to respect the time of team he helped build. However, he was gifted the greatest quarterback in NFL history in the 6th round and his defense has declined. I just think that coaches get too much blame for having shitty qbs and too much credit for having great quarterbacks. The NFL rulebook is made to clearly benefit qbs. Also the 2008 team had a very easy schedule in addition to having a defensive and offensive talent that just came off of a 18-1 season and was mostly built by Scott Pioli and whoever the fuck was the GM before Belligay even got there. However, as a Jets fan you cant have this conversation, because every other team will say we are just butthurt Jet fans. You still cannot prove to me that he did not know what plays were coming in the Superbowl, especially when the evidence was burned and not published. How is cheating any bit worse than a bounty program?
"Let's be Real ???" Seriously ? Come on ... ? Please ..., Belichick started as Patriots HC and GM in 2000, same Year Brady was drafted ... If you are gong to compile stats, don't skewer them then ...; BB as HC 1991-1995 Cleveland Browns / 36 w - 44 l - 1 play off berth BB as assistant HC 1996 New England Patriots / 11 w - 5 l - lost SB to Packers 1997-1999 NY Jets / 29 w - 19 l - lost Conf to Broncos Summary: Belichick pre Brady would be 76 w vs. 68 l (0.523) So your arguement doesn't hold up ... As can also be seen by the season in 2008 in which the Patriots went 11-5 without "The Machine" (who is Matt Cassel ???) Statistics Can be used in a lot of ways ...
You do realise BB, even though with split duties, had the final say in football matters since he was hired in 2000, effectively being de facto GM ? So no, the Patriots team from 2008 had been built by BOTH Pioli AND Belichick, with BB Having the final say ...
So wait, you're taking all the wins he had as Parcells' assistant and counting them for him? How does that work?
Actually I'm not, I was refuting a prior arguement on BB having a losing record as HC prior to drafting Brady, however, for fairness sake I added his years as an assistant HEAD coach aswell ... Because of context.
Actually Brady's base salary is rather low. I also believe that Brady would not flourish outside the Bellichek/Adams environment (aka Cassel effect).
I don't have a problem with a losing record but the locker room is where trouble is brewing. Remember when Eli was terrible and there were a ton of teammates talking trash about Eli. Coughlin got rid of everyone who didn't support Eli and they turned it around. I'm hoping Rex makes some drastic changes either in his approach with his players or having every player be on the same page.
