holmes is someone D's had to account for. We also missed keller most of the year. Coming into the year our weapons in the pass game looked like this: holmes Keller Kerley Hill Schilens what it wound up as most of the year: Kerley Schilens Gates Cumberland Reuland
I think your premise is incorrect. More than one premise, actually. Things started turning to shit last year. The organization made one change that only made it worse, that was replacing Schotty with Sparano, and we got to see that giving this FO another year meant another year of going in the wrong direction. I also don't know of any fans who expect that simply hiring a new GM means the Jets are going to the SB next year. But at least we might see them start heading in the right direction.
Ton? Talent? Where? Yes, we have some talent on defense, no doubt. Where is any of the talent on offense? We've got a bunch of guys that should be playing at least one, and in some cases, two spots down from where they are. Holmes is a 2, he's our 1. Kerley is a 3, he was our 1 for most of the season. The guys at 2-3-4 WR spots shouldn't be on the roster or should be on the practice squad. Greene is a complementary back. Exactly where is this ton of talent? As for injuries, Keller and Holmes aren't big enough difference makers.
I know I'm pissing in the wind trying to argue this with you, but it doesn't matter if the original 5 guys were there, Sanchez has lost all of his moxie and can't hit anyone in stride. Even short passes had guys diving and falling down. There's practically no YAC, and you can't win that way. Sanchez was destroyed last year and never recovered. If your QB can't hit the open receiver, or only hits him where he has to fall down to catch it, then your offense isn't going anywhere.
we have a decent OL, 2 AP caliber players, we need to upgrade. need to find Moore's replacement and upgrade at RT but the O, is not a disaster. We have a good slot guy in kerley, assuming Braylon is back we have Braylon and Holmes. I like Hill's potential, assuming Keller is back he's a good TE. The guys that had to play this year wouldn't make most rosters but they only played as much as they did b/c of injuries.
Ernie Accorsi wasn't fired from the Giants he retired and Reese was promoted from within the organization that had a HC. That isn't at all the same situation that is happening here. The GM was fired and unless I'm mistaken a new GM from outside the organization is going to be brought in.
You want to talk about the Jets offense? The offense doesn't have a single player that can take it the distance on any given play - It's ONLY pro bowl caliber player is at the typically least important position (C). Out of all the skill position players on the offense, only one you could make a case would be a Number 1 guy on anyone of the better offenses in the league - Dustin Keller. Holmes is a No. 2. WR at best on most teams, Greene is a no 2. complementary RB on most teams, and Kerley is a slot WR on most NFL teams, not a no.1 or no 2... These statements are true even before the injuries and its the reason why Mike Tannenbaum is looking for a job today. Rex Ryan shouldn't just get a pass for this either because he's a major reason why its gotten this bad. Poor coaching and development on that side of the ball and he definetely played a part in the offseason decision making. You think Mr. T has drafted defensive heavily on his own accord in the Ryan era, and wasn't talked into some of those picks??
We had an outright stacked team in 2009. The Redskins, Seahawks and Colts say high. Mediocre teams make the playoffs with rookies and outright crappy journyman QB's all the time.
a team so stacked that w/ a MUCH easier sched, no Tom Brady to deal with and a HOF QB under C we won 9 games in 2008.
It was a new GM coming (although internally) on a team underperforming and a fan base calling for the coaches head. It was similar. I can also site Cleveland and Chicago if you like that better..
Bill Walsh and Joe Walton were similar they were both NFL head coaches. If you're arguing that Cleveland and Chicago did it and we should follow their model fine. I happen to think they are both second rate clubs at this point much like we are.
We didn't have a stacked team in 2009 coming out of the gate and we didn't have one at mid-season either. The Jets had an undistinguished WR group led by a solid 1b in Cotchery. They had a defensive unit built around a disruptive roadblock of a NT in Jenkins. They had one game-breaking player at the start in Leon Washington. Then Jenkins and Washington and Cotchery got hurt and only Cotchery returned to play at a diminished effectiveness that season. Braylon Edwards arrived in week 5. The only thing stacked about the Jets in 2009 was the offensive line and that's the reason things didn't totally fall apart when people started going missing to injuries in mid-season. It was a minor miracle that the Jets made the playoffs that year and at least part of that miracle was that they kept playing for Rex no matter how grim things got in the trainer's room. The 2010 team was stacked.
We had the No. 1 d and the no. 1 rushing attack in the league. We were loaded on D and on the OL. It was a minor miracle we made the playoffs because the league is designed to let underperforming teams in every year. You're crazy 09 was the most talented team we had since-08. The decline didn't start until 10 even though we had a better overall record.
It's hilarious how you don't take things into consideration. We were 8-3 that year and looking like one of the best teams in the league and then cockflasher hurt his arm and didn't tell anyone. That team was pretty talented, and when his arm was working properly it showed what the difference between a good QB and Mark Sanchez can do for you.
'10 was much better than '09 talent wise. Not even close especially when yuo factor in what we lost injury wise.
he hurt is arm in OCTOBER, he played his best(and only good) football in NOVEMBER. the injury was an excuse.
I have to agree here. 2010 was a stacked team after the acquisition of Edwards and when Holmes came back from suspension. Everyone likes to look back fondly at 2009 like we were an elite team, but the fact of the matter is we looked like crap for a ton of games that season (ala this year, only without the huge embarrassments). Remember leading Buffalo 13-3, a team that was so bad that most teams should have been able to pick it up and leave then? We lost in OT. How about the Atlanta game, another terrible team at that time. We lost 10-7. Great showing. We were losing in Indy before they pulled everyone. We were in no way an elite team in 2009. The defense was great by today's defensive standards, but that was it. EDIT: Just realized that Braylon came in '09, not '10. My mistake.
The D was ranked #1 but they foled in big spots far too often. They blew late leads vs. Miami, Atlanta, Jacksonville, etc... Great ranking but not a truly great D.
