No buddy, he gambled a few years ago to try and win back then and THIS year is the year it started to come back to bite him in the rear. He gambled the team's fortunes, and by extension, his job as the GM, by extending contracts, guaranteeing money, reworking deals and trading draft picks. THe cubbard is bare at the moment - we still are missing draft picks, we still have a dearth of talent, and we have at least another year before we can start to climb out from under it. The fact of the matter is, Tannenbaum may be a good GM, but in this instance he gambled and lost. It's really as simple as that.
He's not going to accept a demotion to DC. lol I agree with your overall stance about the team, but this isn't realistic in the least.
The Giants had ZERO w/ the current regime when they kept Coughlin for 2007, they hadn't won in 17 years to that point. Pitt hadn't won since the 70s when they kept Cowher on in the late 90s/early 00s during a stretch where they missed 3 consecutive postseasons. Keeping the same people doesn't mean doing things the exact same way. Changes needed to be made just not major changes. The people in charge gave us a team that nearly made 2 SBs, this groups has the most playoff wins in team history and has only been together 4 years but whiny fans want major changes every time something goes wrong. anyone who understands Rex at all knows he will always have the back of his team. It's just an excuse for others to bash him. Norv took over the most talented team in the AC, a team that was 14-2 the year before he got there, Norv has coached in a weak division. Norv had 2 prior coaching stops where he failed. Very different. Reid has been there since 1999, that's a long time and he had his team in the playoffs competing for best in the NFC in most years. Billick hadn't won a playoff game since 2001 when he was fired after the '07 season. It's been 2 years since Rex's last playoff win and how many SBs has Bal been to w/ his replacement? Mike Sherman took over GB w/ a HOF QB in his prime. He went 2-4 in the playoffs including losing the furst 2 games EVER at Lambeau Field in postseason. you can go on and on but please find one that is relevant to this discussion. 1990-2000: Bruce Coslet Pete Carroll Rich Kotite Bill Parcells Al Groh (not counting BB's few days as HC in '97/'00) 5 HCs in 11 seasons 2001-2012: Herm Mangini Rex 3 HCs in 12 seasons more stability, more success
It's not an excuse. Nobody is forcing him to make these assinine statements. He brings the negative publicity on himself because he's too full of hot air.
Success? What are you even talking about? Coslet was never heard from again. He sucked, and it's not like we made a mistake letting him go. Carroll was a victim of Hess's man-love for Kotite. Yet he went to New England, had a small amount of success and then disappeared from the NFL for 10+ years. He is the ONLY coach on your list that can possibly make your argument. Kotite speaks for himself. Maybe we should have given him time to turn around. Parcells left on his own, Groh left on his own. So, that's not our fault - we didn't CHOOSE to have no stability there. Herm went to KC and hasn't seen a coaching job since. Mangini went to Cleveland and is out of the league. Where exactly do you see examples of continuity providing success? If anything, I see a history of bad coach hirings and guys not being able to wait to get the hell out of here.
How's Pete Carroll doing? Herm was very good here, he had no chance w/ an awful GM in KC Mangini saw another regime change. I'm not saying we should keep all these guys but teams w/ less coaching changes(more stability) are the teams that tend to win. what teams do you see replacing HC/GM every 3-4 years that win? It would have been easy forthe Gaints to fire Coughlin, ZERO playoff wins, Eli wasn't getting better, he couldn't get over the hump in jax,... did they fire him? no and they won 2 SBs b/c of it.
So your response is to point out the one thing I said was a way to make your argument and drive the point home further, and ignore the rest of it? My point was that you said that success comes from continuity and then pointed out examples that directly dispute your own argument, with the possible exception of Carroll. Please answer the actual question. How do Coslet, Parcells, Groh, Herm and Mangini prove your point in any way?
it proves it b/c while spending a decade looking for new coaches every 2-3 years we sucked but while we had a little stability we have had success. Herm is here for 5 years, we made the playoffs 3 times(60%), Mangini for 3 1 time(33%), Rex 4 years we made it twice(50%).
You are just listing a bunch of stuff that happened and failing to provide any causation for it. 2001 - 2012: War on terror began Embarking on war on terrorists lead to the recent Jets success, we need to continue attacking terrorists strongholds for continued progress. You can't just list some stuff then some other stuff and decide one caused the other while ignoring a myriad of other factors.
yet have been one of the top AFC teams over the last decade or so, amazing how that works out. However you want to rationalize our success go ahead. Show me the successful franchises long term that are changing coaches every few years.
Right, and New England has won 3 Super Bowls, Pittsburgh 2, and the Colts 1 during that time. No other AFC team has won a Super Bowl since the Ravens in 2000. So the other 13 teams in the AFC are all bunched together, and the Jets are "one of thte best" of that bunch. Lotta good it's done them, and lotta good it does us now that we just came off a 6-10 season and probably will be 4-12 or worse next year.
I agree Tanny isn't as bad as fans want to make him, but he gambled big on the Sanchez extension -- an extension he not only did not deserve but at an amount that is ludicrous -- to free up cap space for this season in the hopes that we were a title contender. we were not a contender, and that extension has crippled us for another season. so, when you combine the fact that Sanchez not only did not deserve to make that amount of money, and we got zero benefit from the cap space that was freed up, then those two certainly do warrant being fired. when a GM makes such a disastrous decision, he has to be held liable. he staked his job with that extension, and it did not work.
I think you're missing Junc's point. It's not the actual names that have come & gone..but it's this idea that the first second things turn tough this fan base wants to fire everybody & start over. Jet fans have this idea that someone is gonna walk through the door be it GM or coach that is gonna be a miracle worker & suddenly make this team a perennial 12 win team every season. I think the 1 thing history has shown is that 9 times out of 10 it doesn't work that way. In more cases than not you end up w/ some good & some bad. When the bad comes..the first reaction shouldn't be to fire everybody & ask questions later. Like any walk of life mistakes happen & you have to let people learn from them. If the mistakes continue & are not learned from...THEN you consider making a change. But it shouldn't be this quick trigger act of anger. Emotions & business do not mix. Change should be the last resort & should not be taken lightly.
Actually I understand his point completely, but if he's going to use revisionist history, he's gotta point to things that make sense and prove his point. If Coslet had gone on somewhere to become a winning coach, or Herm, or Mangini, then he could point to the Jets history of firing coaches quickly as a reason they aren't winning championships. But the opposite is true - the Jets just make very bad coaching choices and have done the right thing in letting them go - they just make another bad choice afterwards.
Exactly. There's a reason all of these guys are out of football. Carroll was the only guy probably fired too quickly. But there were other things going on there on why he was let go. Does anyone miss Herm or Bruce Coslet? Hell no...
Exactly! One more go round with "The Circus" and then it's outta here. To quote one of the more celebrated "circus acts": "Can't Wait!"
