I said 2-3 because our 2008 and 2009 drafts are real iffy. 2008 has only Keller standing, and 2009 has Sanchez, Greene, and Slauson who are all average to below average to bottom of the league players currently. So while neither one is really bad, both are not good and around average years. Tanny has had 2 really good draft years, his first two here, and after that, judging 09 and 10, 2 really bad draft years. His FA moves the last two years have been bad also. So are you going to go through the rest of the post you quoted or just harp on me saying "2-3"?
Stability is great if the people you have are great. But also, making a change before it becomes a huge problem is also great. Right now, in my eyes, Woody is doing that by currently retaining Rex but searching for a new GM. I see him keeping a good HC that can become great and moving on from a GM who was going from good to mediocre to questionable.
don't confuse someone who understands this game w/ being a homer. I bash the team when they deserve it like this season, I'm just not one to want to clean house after every bad season. Let's pretend you guys were fans of other teams: 2000 pats go 5-11 w/ Belichick- Fire him! 2006 Giants, 3 years w/o playoff win, Eli not progressing. Fire Coach! get rid of Eli! 2010 Giants, 3 years of no playoff wins, Eli throws 25 INTs. Fire coach! get rid of Eli! 2012 Steelers, 2 postseason misses in last 4 years, just 2 postseason wins. Fire coach, get rid of Ben! 2008 Saints. 3 years w/ 1 playoff win, fore coach, get rid of Brees! I can go on and on. You can deflect w/ the homer comment all you want but you guys are sheep, you allow the media to dictate how you thinka nd that is sad. By the way, the Giants were dysfunctional in 2010 and into 2011. They should have fired Coughlin, right?
Count me in for thinking they should've sent Rex packing as well. Not necessarily because I think he's a terrible coach, although he needs to improve as a HEAD coach, but because it is pointless to keep him on. Look at the reality of the situation - going into 2013, Rex Ryan is a head coach coming off of 2 non-winning seasons, a roster that needs to be rebuilt with a new GM, who didn't hire him, looking over his shoulder. This doesn't bode well for HIS future. Rex is in essence a lame duck at this point. Barring a miracle does anyone really think this team will be playoff bound in 2013? Absolutely not. So Rex will be a HC with 3 non-winning seasons in a row, and it will be an easy sell to Woody from the new GM to axe him, and Rex will be gone. My point is - Why waste a year? Why not get the rebuilding process started a little earlier with a coach who won't be a lame duck. With a coach that will be selected by the new GM who would see more eye-to-eye and hopefully infuse a fresher approach to the roster and on Sundays. Not to mention Rex may have to rebuild his entire staff this offseason. Sparano will hopefully be gone (please GOD), Pettine may well be gone because he hasn't seemed to want to get an extension done, and Westhoff is retiring. It's going to be VERY difficult for Rex to fill out a good staff when the candidates will know that it's quite likely it could only be for 1 season. A lot of people are clamoring for Norval Turner as OC. I'm not sure how I feel about him, But do you really think Turner is going to sign up when there's a great chance he could be looking for work again next offseason when Rex gets fired? I don't think he would want that.
im really starting to get annoyed at the constant misuse of the term lame-duck its like everybody now saying literally before they describe something with a metaphor.
Can you please back this up, with examples, of how the Jets front office acted according to what the fans wanted relating to personnel moves, coaching changes, play calls, etc? The fan base wanted Sanchez on the bench weeks before it happened. Did they act then? No? AND if you believe the Jets Front office acts according to the fanbase, why would you want Tanny and Rex still there, if ultimately they are only puppets?
Rex brought us to two AFCCG's and runs a solid defense which is great. But I would be a liar if I didn't say that these last two season have a markedly different feel to them than his first two. Rex isn't funny anymore, he isn't burying balls after a bad loss, he isn't joking around and jovial and confident. He looks tired, wore down, worried, and not confident. You can't tell me the players aren't picking up on that? The end of last season and this entire season definitely have a completely different feel than Rex's first two, whether Rex can turn that around? I don't know, seems tough for a head coach to do. Part of me feels that we should just cut ties with the lot of them that brought us this circus. But if he bombs 2013 we can fire him and cut Sanchez, and have a high draft pick all of which would attract a better HC candidate anyway.
fanbase wanted herm gone, Herm was gone fanbase wanted Favre, we got Favre fanbase wanted Mangini gone, Mangini was fired fanbase wanted Schottenhimer gone, Brian was fired fanbase wanted Sanchez benched, he was benched. fanbase wanted Tannenbaum gone, Mike was fired. Obviously they don't react top every whine or we'd have a new coach and roster every year but when the fans and media start a crusade something usualyl gets done. The best organizations don't care what their whiny, no nothing fans think.
firs off Rex is always positive publicly, second we lost our top player on D AND O in addition to a million other injuries the team had. If this team was healthy all year it would have been a playoff contending team w/o a doubt.
And you know the Jets made those moves based on Jets fans protests? Looks like all those happened as a natural progression in football when play on the field doesn't reflect what they're being paid. You lose in the NFL or don't perform at a top level, you get your resume together, this isn't unique to the Jets.
The Giants have how many SB Championships on their resume Junc? The Steelers have how many SB Championships on their resume Junc? The Jets have how many on theirs? Point is, the franchises you used are light years ahead of the Jets as far as having a vision and a identity. The Jets shouldn't even be mentioned in the same paragraph as the Giants and the Steelers if you want to look at successes. I'm not deflecting anything at all. This franchise is what it is. A dysfunctional, discredited joke. Even Detroit Lion fans knew their franchise was a joke and were able to admit it and they've been w/o a Super Bowl even longer than we have. Then again, they've been around longer than we have. Only a Homer would like to see this franchise keep doing things exactly the same way. Only a Homer would cling to losses as if moral victories count. Only a Homer would scream bloody murder if Rex got bounced because of how his leadership is getting worse every year. Players Coach? Puleeze. These guys get paid a lot of money to perform and when they come up short, they get coddled by a "Player's Coach". BTW, 8-8 isn't a winning season. Its not a losing season either. Its mediocre. Take off your green glasses, put the green Stoli down and look at the trending. The team isn't getting better and if you're not improving, you're falling behind. Rex has one year left to show us if he can be HC of the entire team or simply the DC masquerading as a HC. One Year Left Junc.. Then the circus leaves town. Hopefully for good.
It doesn't change how absurd Rex's statement was. What you just described is the end result. The fact is that Rex makes himself look like a buffoon by his peers, media and fans when he makes such bombastic statements. Especially when they don't come true and the teams falls flat on his face.
Junc, you could find probably MORE examples though to make the opposite argument though. -Don't you think the Chargers should've cleaned house with Norv Turner's staff earlier? -How about Reid in Philly - you think they should give him another year right now? It's the first time in his 14 years of coaching that he's had 2 non-winning seasons... -How about Baltimore, you think they are regretting firing Brian Billick? He never had 2 non-winning seasons and was only a year removed from a 13-3 season when he got canned back in 2007... Hell no, they are so happy they have Harbaugh right now. -How about Green Bay, you think they should've hung onto Mike Sherman? He was fired after his ONLY losing season in 2005. Was it dumb for them to clean house after one bad season and hire McCarthy?? Hell no. I don't think there's a team in the league that wouldn't want their situation right now... I could go on and on as well, probably more so than you can with this situation!! Also the Giants situation that you love to bring up is atypical. It's rare that they were able to turn it around like that. It's like when people say you don't need a good QB to win a SB and bring up the 2000 Ravens. As if that wasn't an incredibly rare situation compared to typical SB results.... But really, it's not about making generalities like you should OR shouldn't clean house after a bad season. Organizations that are truly successful at things like this, are ones who have the ability to recognize when or when not they need change. The Jets right now aren't a quick fix. They need a change and a fresh approach and should've let Rex go with Tannenbaum.
I was just responding to Champ's comment...not yours. Now I'll respond to yours: You were the one who asked if Rex was talking big this year, Champ responded and I agreed. It was BIG talk saying it was his "Best team ever", you can spin it any way you want...if you think it's positive that's your POV....not mine. We weren't a playoff team with Sanchez turning the ball over...Revis had zero to do with it.
Yet you love to continue to tell us this is the best era of NYJ football since the late 1960's as if it's a reason they should stick with the status quo. When in reality this proves they've been successful without continuity.... You can't have it both ways. Either the Jets have been successful with all the flux and changes during the last decade, or they haven't been and should look towards continuity....
The fallacy in our ongoing debate is you only looking at the overall body of work and not paying the least bit of attention to the trend, nor the results themselves. First of all, Rex went 9-7 in his first year with someone else's players, then had his one good season at 11-5. It's been a complete downward spiral since then in both talent (despite what you think the head coach doesn't walk into a lockerroom and coach who he's given - he has input), preparation and of course, what you speak highly of, wins. There is NOTHING positive trending with the Jets as of the end of the 2012 season, and it's all negative. The drama DOES lead to losses - look at the distractions the team had every single week this season. I'm not saying it would have translated into more wins THIS SEASON because the team sucked, but the fact of the matter is Rex has motivated other teams more than his own ,and no team I've seen in any sport has ever won a championship or won consistently when they are not held accountable. The only possible example is the late 70s Yankees and that fell apart rather quickly as they weren't winning anything in the 80s and half the 90s. Bottom line, I have said over and over that the wins and losses taken by themselves don't bother me. It's the fact that Rex is soft on his players, he's got a big mouth with no filter and doesn't know when to shut up. He's a brilliant defensive coach who is in over his head as a head coach. HE LOST THE TEAM TWO YEARS IN A ROW. Once should have been enough to get him fired. FINAL THOUGHT: I am not saying Rex will NEVER be a good head coach, it's entirely possible he will learn form this and not repeat his mistakes. But with the Jets, he's done. Once you lose the lockerroom, it's virtually impossible to get it back. These players all know that they can do whatever they want, on or off the field, as long as they're owed money. That culture doesn't change overnight.
That's pretty unfair. Just because a fan can be realistic and know the team is headed in the wrong direction, or at least feel that it is, doens't make them less of a fan. You probably consider me not to be a true fan because I don't look at the team with green-colored glasses and blindly support everything they do. Meanwhile, I've been a diehard for 32 years, I hvae season tickets and NEVER miss a game, I rant on Facebook during games, and most of the people I know think of me first when they think of the Jets because I'm such a fanatic. The problem with yo uis you're a diehard fan and think that anyone who doesn't think the way you do has to be a fairweather fan. The team has been horrible for its entire existence with some exceptions for short periods of time. Only real fans would be here and would care what happens with a team like that.
