Hmm....it's quite possible that they never have, at least in my memory. Keyshawn Johnson did very well for a couple of years, Al Toon, WW.........yeah, I'm drawing a blank after that. And none of those guys really qualifies. Never drafted any good RBs, even as good as McNeil was I don't know that he was an elite playmaker. Definitely not any TEs and we wouldn't have a GangGreen board if they'd ever draft a QB like that.
Where are you going with this? Are you actually arguing that the Jets have done anything resembling a good job drafting offensive personnel over the past 12 years? And did I not say I don't want singling out individual players to cloud the overarching theme? Even if I cede you Leon Washington as a legitimate playmaker, that aggregates to 2 playmakers in 12 years. Great job Jets.
Yeah and how many players in the league are like that? He drafted arguably the best defensive player in the game. Mangold has been the best center in he NFL, I guess he does not count. You just want to talk about receivers? Does it matter whether he drafted them or acquired them? Why would we be draft heavy on receivers when we had Braylon, and a well behaved and productive Santonio just a couple years ago? He drafted Kerley and Hill. Both solid so far. Rex begged to have tone back, he pumped him like he was the 100 million dollar man. Tanny gave him was he wanted. Who's fault is it? Rex is not there yet as a coach. He is a great defensive coach. He is a horrible Offensive coach and the problem is you can't or shouldn't be a HC unless you have command over both sides of the ball. You have to manage both. Sparano was Rex's guy. Tanny gave him what he wanted. What did Rex do with? Shit. If Rex was a good HC and he did not like the the offense was doing he would take control. But he can't. Do you want to learn what a good coaches does? Read this: http://www.nytimes.com/1999/10/23/s...ing-a-switch-to-turn-on-the-passing-game.html When Parcells was not happy with the OC, guess, what he did. He called the plays. Why, bc he was a HC. Sure is was defensive guy before being a HC too but he made the transition. Rex has not. Rex wanted tone, Rex wanted Sparano and can't fix the offense. So yeah, of course this is Tannys fault because he didn't draft Calvin Johnson...Please. You go ahead and ask Ray Lucas who taught him how to be a QB. It was Parcells. Ask him who put together the plan to make him successful again Parcells. You ask people about Sanchez and everyone BUT Rex gets blamed...."it is the OC"..."it is the QB coach". Serious guys. I like Rex too. He is great for defense. But as a HC you can't just be great a D and throw everyone else in the organization under the bus bc your offense sux. You can do that as a DC, but not as an HC.
To be honest I stopped reading when I read that you said the last legit offensive playmaker the Jets took was Moss. Obviously I disagree. It sounds like you don't want to discuss this at all, you just wanted to shit on the Jets front office. Well don't let me stop you, I think they suck.
The issue is even if we say Washington was a legit offensive player the point is we haven't had a homerun player on offense in a very very long time. Obviously not every team does but can you imagine if we had a guy like Chris Johnson or Matt Forte? I don't think it ends on offense either, outside of Revis and Harris we haven't drafted that well period. When you have a garbage QB you need somebody to take tyhe load off his shoulders and we never seem to have that guy. Ever... Obviously Wilkerson is looking like a future pro bowler and most of our best players came via FA but if you really want begin to understand the failures of this franchise look at the draft the year Gholston was drafted. Look at the year Wilson was drafted. The Gholston pick handicapped this franchise much more then people realize. I know I went off topic a bit but it's not just an offensive issue.
This thread is screaming for a link to the Jets draft blunder video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZxNeFLuY98
When was the last time the Jets drafted an explosive playmaker on offense? Simple question. Playmakers make plays to win games. NE- Gronk, Hernandez Mia- Welker Buf- CJ Spiller, Lynch Pit- Wallace, Brown, arguably Holmes Bal- Rice Cinci- AJ Cle- Trent Ind- Wayne, Garcon, Clark Ten- CJ2K, Britt Hou- AJ, Foster Jax- MJD KC- Charles, Bowe SD- Vincent Jackson, Sproles Den- Thomas, Marshall Oak- DMC NYG- Nicks Dal- Bryant Phi- Jackson, McCoy Was- ? Min- AP, Harvin GB- Cobb, Jennings, Nelson Chi- Forte, Hester Det- Calvin, (Best when healthy) NO- Graham, Bush Car- Steve Smith Atl- Julio, Roddy TB- Doug Martin SF- Vernon Davis STL- ? Seattle- ? Ari- Boldin, Fitz Basically, we have been horrible in terms of drafting playmakers recently compared to the rest of the NFL. This is a huge reason why our offense is so putrid. 90% of these players are on their original teams also...
I added a few you missed just for the hell of it. I don't think it's too early to say Luck and RGIII qualify.
Well, there's no better evidence showing why Bradway and the rest of the scouting department need to go and why Tanny shouldn't be making personnel decisions. Damn, 2010 and 2008 were terrible drafts. And not a single offensive skill player that offered any kind of promise of difference making, big play ability. We haven't done bad on the defensive side of the ball, but we've drafted so many defensive players that some of them were bound to work out, I suppose.
True, but a Darksider like myself could also argue that with the amount of picks concentrated on defense we should have an elite, lock-down defense and we aren't even close. So, if we want to split hairs we've done a pretty shitty job there too when you extrapolate it out.
Thats also a huge criticism here too. We've spent so much of our resources/focus on the defensive side and we arent even elite there either.
These are all the offensive skill players the Jets have even drafted in the 1st or 2nd round since that '01 draft: 2006: Kellen Clemens 2:49 2008: Dustin Keller 1:30 2009: Mark Sanchez 1:5 2012: Stephen Hill 2:43 That's only 4 offensive skill players taken in the first 2 round in 11 years. Not sure how that compares to other teams but I'd bet it's towards the bottom from a pure numbers perspective. It seems like more than anything, they have ignored offensive skill players in the early rounds. They haven't exactly done good w/the players they DID take. Keller is good, not great. Sanchez appears to have turned into David Carr and obviously Clemens was garbage. It's too early to tell with Hill, he had some flashes in his rookie year but didn't show much. Most WR's don't do great in year one and I wouldn't expect one to do well in our 2012 offense. He certainly had more than enough opportunity though with our lack of play makers.
So basically, the New York Jets did not draft a single offensive skill player in round 1 or 2 between 2001 and 2006? That's incredible. I hadn't even noticed. It's no wonder their offense is so putrid - they've drafted 4 in the first 2 rounds in 12 years and not a single one of them could be considered even "very good" much less a difference-maker.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?teamId=3430&type=team If it makes you feel any better they DID take Mike Nugent in the 2nd round in '05.
Part of the problem is that they've basically had to change out the front 7 three times over that time. They went from a 4-3 to a 3-4 to the hybrid scheme we have now. Changing defensive coordinators sucks.
That's one of the reasons I think we need to clean house but keep Rex. He has certainly made his mistakes but the front 7 are really starting to look up in the first time for many years - and most of them are young.
If I were GM I'd trade down every year and end up with 7-8 2nd & 3rd round pics every draft. No first round super stars, but no first round busts either. And no 4th-5th-6th-7th round 'projects'. Just a team packed with players from the 2nd-3rd round. All 53 or them. I'd have an above avg team across the board without one blatant weakness. And I have one hell of a bench and Special Teams too.
