Since this franchise has been so bad for so long trying to compare RR record to any other NYJ HC before him is really silly :sad:
NY Junc needs to be deprogrammed by licensed MDs to his addiction of the NYJs. Once he passes that program he will be able to finally see the forest from the trees hopefully JMHO :sad:
Totally disagree Wahoo. If you want to make sure that your organization perpetually sucks just fire your HC every 3-4 yrs. By doing that you are guaranteed of a) destroying any continuity in the organization; b) creating an atmosphere of chaos; c) undermining any sense of loyalty in the organization; and d) being populated from top to bottom w/folks who act selfishly and not with the best interests of the organization in mind. All of that adds up to a recipe for failure. Rex Ryan is the 2d best HC in the 50 yr history of the franchise. He has a .583 Winning PCt and he is 4-2 in the post-season and has only had 1 losing season as a HC. He's widely regarded as a brilliant defensive coach. If he is let go, he'll immediately be the No.1 DC candidate in the NFL. Only a moron would advocate firing a smart young successful HC after 1 losing season. Doing so will set the organization back years. The Jets need to fix their offense. The focus should be on doing so and not getting rid of the 2d best HC in the franchise's history.
No it isn't silly at all. Its actually a very very useful exercise. What's silly is ignoring the facts and the data and burying your head in the sand. First of all Jets fans overplay how "bad" the team has been. In truth the Jets have been followed a pattern of having some success, having a down season and getting rid of the HC and going through that same cycle time after time. So lets look at those records going back to 1977 and lets put the HC w/winning records in bold: RR - .583 & 4-2 in PS. Mangenius - .479 and 0-1; Herm was .488 and 2-3; Tuna was .604 and 1/1; kotite was .125; carroll .378; coslet .406 and 0/1; walton was .482 and 1-2; michaels .454 2-2. Over the past 35 years RR is the most successful HC and its really not even close when you factor in his PS record. Don't take my word for it, look at the facts. Its indisputable that RR has been a good HC despite this losing season. Firing good coaches is a very stupid thing to do. The NYJ simply need to fix the offense. Which can and should be done asap w/o firing the HC.
No offense Abdul but we have mediocrity and failure RITE now and this is exactly what I do not want. Our first year with Rex we had success,,,,,we snuck up on people and won some games but sadly it ended short of the prize . Then to go 9-7 then 8- 8 and now 6 and 10 with the hopes of shooting for 7 and 9, I don't know what you consider mediocre but the last 3 years sure look like that and failure to me,,,a 500 record and payoff games here and there is not what I consider success. Throw in the circus music and everything that goes with it,,,many people including myself thought that Shotty was holding Mark and the offense back, we thought he was THE ONLY problem ! This year we found out and saw that this team has many more problems then just Shotty . Other guys should be shown the door as well and hopefully they ALL are,,blow it up top to bottom .
I know the bar is set so low, its comical listen to people singing the praises of Rex. Why do you think the Ravens didn't promote him to HC. The Jets snatch up other teams left overs and glorify them.
Way to set the bar at a mediocre level. Compared to some on that list, Wrecks compares favorably. So what? The trend is also your friend and over the last 20 games the Jets have been pathetic, with no quality wins. Also, looking at the trend, the Jets personnel has gotten worse for 3 straight years under T-Rex. Set the top 10 criteria for a quality HC in the NFL and then grade Rex. He is below average in most categories other than defensive acumen.
CBG the only thing I take offense at is fans who want to fire good coaches after 1 losing season. That is insane. RR is a good HC among the best young coaches in the NFL. The only thing that needs to be fixed is the Jets offense - get a new OC in here, make some personnel decisions and the Jets could easily be 11-5 next season. "blow it up" and spend the next 2 seasons going 6-10.
It's funny how you speak about burying one's head in the sand. I think it's the Rex sunshine squad that has their heads buried, and deeply too. Let's talk about Parcells for a second, who you say Rex is better than and then go on to say it's further justified by the post season record. Parcells had a .604 winning percentage despite his third year being marred by losing the QB - Revis and Holmes together don't add up to that loss at that time in those circumstances. Bill still managed to hold the team together for an 8-8 record despite that, and despite a 2-6 start. As for the rest of your post, the Jets do not need to "simply fix the offense" - there are a lot more red flags being waved here than just the offense. It all starts with the utter lack of respect that that the Jets have for each other and Rex. If you don't think all the media stuff, both on and off the record, is indicative of this, then you are the one that is happy with mediocrity.
I can only speak for myself but I'm fairly certain the guys who want Rex gone agree - it has absolutely nothing at all to do wtih the record. Nothing, not even a little bit. It's the atmosphere, it's the downward spiral, it's the utter chaos - the record is the record. Go back and look at some of my posts form last year- I wanted Rex out after that Miami game that ended the season because of how he admitted he had no idea about the locker room. and that was after ZERO losing seasons. Nothing that's gone on this season, from the fights in training camp (after he ordered them to stop and they just kept on doing it) to the assistant coaches leaking shit, to hte players speaking out to the media, to the 'anonymous leaks' about what Rex wants or doesn't want - NOTHING has changed my mind. In fact, it has only made me feel more strongly that this isn't working and he's not, at this time, cut out to be a head coach.
Here's what I don't understand. Many people want Tanny fired. And Sporano fired. And Sanchez cut. But Rex stays. Why are the people above Rex held accountable and the people below people held accountable. But Rex gets a pass. So many people believe that everything bad that happens is someone else and anything good that happens is because of Rex. I don't get it.
Rex is garbage. He is not a head coach (unless if they bring back the XFL, where he would be Coach of The Century, first ballot). He needs to be a loud mouth D coordinator on a Div II college team. If Woody has any sense he'll make it quick and easy on Black Monday next week.
Look at all the Super Bowls Harbore has won with Baltimore...and that's with having superior talent to the Jets. Better QB, far better playmaking RB.
Without getting to far off topic Harbaugh has lead the Ravens to 5 consecutive playoff appearances. In their last they got nosed out of a SB appearance by the Pats. Not too shabby considering their QB and low scoring offense. If the Jets had a coach with that record there would be temple to pay homage to him. Oh what was your point? Harbaugh is no good because he hasn't won a SB? LOL
Get it thru your skull RR is a losing coach for the 4 years he has been our coach since in those 4 years we have not won a CHAMPIONSHIP :sad:
What about Jim Harbaugh of SF? Is he a loser? Let's see...is Bill Belicheck a loser since 2007? Is Mike Mcarthy a loser since 2010? Mike Tomlin? You realize how circular and stupid your logic is?
That's a lie. Between 2008 & 2009 we got better. Between 2009 and 2010 we got better. You can't blame Rex for the huge dropoff in talent after 2010. That's on Tanny. You could say 2 years but not 3 lol.
