So can we stop the Sanchez B.S, and start the Sparano/Howard discussion?

Yeah keep laughing, name one team that beat New England in New England that year, even Peyton fell there.

And you all talk about the defense being so great and carrying the team? that same defense that couldnt close out a 2 possesion lead over the colts or the defense that couldnt make a tackle in Pittsburgh?

Or how about LT getting steel curtained on the 1, that great run game?

 

Right. And did the Jets win either of those games behind the arm of Mark Sanchez? The defense not getting the job done in those 2 LOSSES does not solidify your point by any means.

 

Ill admit the defense and run game got us to the playoffs, but they are the reasons we didnt play in 2 Super Bowls also, (17-6, 4th and goal, etc)

 

Ok but that's all anyone is saying. They didn't get us to the Superbowl, but that's not the argument. The argument is Sanchez rode the defense and running game to those 2 AFCCG's. And you apparently admit that Sanchez didn't win us those 2 AFCCG's...So what is your point?

 

Let me check? 3 tds, had a huge td drive when the patriots cut the game to 14-11. All Sanchez that drive. Big play to Cotch and Holmes, so Yeah that was all on the arm of Sanchez, not the great run game. You all act like none of these passes happened, hate to break it but they did.

 

The Jets didn't play the Patriots in either of those games. The question that I'm asking is, in the games that you say the defense and run game failed, did Mark Sanchez win us either of those games with his arm? If you admit the defense and running game got us there, then we are in agreement even though you don't seem to realize it.

If you want to talk about the Patriots playoff game, let's talk about the defense smothering Brady and the Harris near pick 6?

 

You can point out the flaws with ease about the defense and run game, but when it comes to Sanchez it's everybody else fault?

You say 90% of QB's in 2010 couldn't do as good or better than Sanchez with that great run game, defense and o line?

 

Sanchez did enough in Indy to win. 2 miss fgs, and a defensive lapse cost us.

If Mark had the Saints defense then he woulda been in the Super Bowl. Saints held that Colts team to 17 points 2 weeks after our great defense gave up 31....

 

then in reality what happened was our #1 rushing attack lost our fresh lead back in Shonn Greene to a rib injury early in the 3rd quarter and went back to Thomas Jones who despite putting up gaudy numbers during most of the regular season, ran out of gas permanently which led to Shonn's emergence.

So again, the answer is "no Mark did not win us those games with his arm"

which again means, that without a top defensive effort and a top rushing attack Mark Sanchez did not win us any of those big games.

 

Yeah if Shonn didnt get hurt, we were taking that game down to the wire, Well actually if Feeley didnt miss the fg to open up the half it woulda been close. We woulda went up 20-13, instead he misses and Peyton goes down the field and gives the Colts the lead,

 

we can go tit for tat on a dropped pass. Or we can look at Tennesse and see the 4 INT's (on horrible reads) and dropped snap causing us to also not talk playoffs. If you want to hone in one ONE PLAY to summarize 50 turnovers over 2 years (many of those INTs to defensive lineman and on horrid reads) and a simple point that has yet to be proven to be wrong, then ok. Go Mark Sanchez.

 

Which is why we can talk in if's all day. But the main question has not been answered.

In 2009 and 2010, without a top defensive and rushing effort did Mark Sanchez take us to the Superbowl when given that opportunity? How has he looked without a top defense and rushing attack the last 2 years which has produced over 50 turnovers?

 

There was more than one play where the team let Sanchez down. Similarly, Sanchez let the team down numerous times.

 

I hope Sanchez gets released and then goes and wins the Super Bowls on team that actually cares about offense.

 

of course...

but the point is Sanchez is a top 5 QB pick. He was chosen to be a franchise QB. He has never been nor ever will be a franchise QB. That much has been made painfully obvious.

And again, Sanchez has NOT proven to date that he can be remotely successful without the support of a top defense and running game. This is a fact. Not an opinion. A fact based in numbers.

 

But we can flip it the other way and say, why did we get rid of that rushing attack and team we had in 2010? Some of the moves are very head scratching at the time. Braylon who had a GREAT year with us, we let walk and think we can replace with a fresh out of jail Plax? For no reason we replaced Cotch with Mason? We let Woody walk and Hunter replace him. We don't find a 6th OL for Turner when he went down.

It's not a shocking revelation, the QB plays better when there is more talent around him.

And now looking back, Sanchez's draft class is producing poorly right now. Stafford looks terrible, Freeman just had back to back 4 pick games, Sanchez isn't starting anymore.

 

So you are a Mark Sanchez fan and not a Jets fan? Now I'm confused. The team cared about offense when he had a top flight rushing game and in 2010. And he didn't get the job done then either, when he had every single bit of support around him possible. This team should have made a SB appearance in 2010. If Sanchez was the franchise QB you apparently suppose him to be, we would have been in that SB, not the Steelers.

 

Get rid of it? LT retired and Shonn Greene relegated to sucks status. We didnt get rid of anything. The organization and fans alike expected Mark to step forward and become the strength of the offense. That hasn't happened, and that's why we are having this conversation.

The Jets have made some seriously questionable moves but that's an entirely separate conversation. To say we got rid of that running game makes no sense.

I would take Stafford and even Freeman over Sanchez in 2 seconds. And if you wouldn't I don't believe I can continue this exchange.