Old Braylon Edwards videos are popping up all over the place. Watch those and tell me Sanchez never had chemistry with anyone.
Has anybody pointed out recently that Sanchez just sucks? It's important to keep this thread on track and not get diverted by irrelevant questions like whether or not having access to high quality receivers or the same receivers from year to year might be a factor. We are going to look back on the 2011-2012 Jets receivers as the worst receiving group in the history of the franchise. Unfortunately we're also likely to consider Sanchez to be one of the worst QB's. Think the two things might be linked somehow? Just food for thought.
what the hell are you talking about? i cant even make sense of what you are complaining about. i guess you must have forgot all of those game winning throws of his. yeh mark has never been good. this is the type of shit that im talking about how is anybody supposed to argue with this?
What's clear is that Sanchez is the type of player that doesn't make others better... they need to make him better. The probability of him evolving into the franchise QB is low. But the probability of winning enough to make the playoffs and advance further with him is high if the Jets have better talent. The Jets are at least two years away from beginning to groom a franchise QB.
sanchez didn't make braylon better? didn't revive LT's career? some people you just can't help and that's the kerley, hills of the world
Where do franchise QB's come from and how many teams actually have them? I'm going to make the argument that there are only about 15 franchise QB's in the NFL right now and that more teams do not have a franchise QB than have one. Here's the list: AFC East - Tom Brady. AFC North - Ben Roethlisberger, Andy Dalton (debatable). AFC South - Matt Schaub, Andrew Luck AFC West - Peyton Manning NFC East - Eli Manning, RGIII NFC North - Aaron Rodgers, Matthew Stafford, Jay Cutler (debatable). NFC South - Drew Brees, Matt Ryan, Josh Freeman, Cam Newton NFC West - None My criteria for franchise QB are that the guy is one of the first names that come to mind when you look at the success of the franchise, that the franchise actually wins games because of him, that with the exception of RGIII and Andrew Luck who I think are special cases the guy has done this for at least a couple of seasons, and finally that nobody could see the franchise replacing the guy if something that might be better came along. There just aren't a lot of guys in that category from season to season in the NFL. Really the list above could be shortened to about 6 if it was just the guys about whom you have no questions at all. That would be Brady, Roethlisberger, PManning, EManning, Rogers and Brees. So where do the franchise QB's come from? Brady - 6th round. Roethlisberger - 11 pick. Dalton - 35 pick. Schaub - 3rd round. Luck - 1 pick. PManning - 1 pick. EManning - 1 pick. RGIII - 2 pick. Rogers - 24 pick. Stafford - 1 pick. Cutler - 11 pick. Brees - 32 pick. Ryan - 3 pick. Freeman - 17 pick. Newton - 1 pick. That's 5 out of 15 on the 1st pick of the draft. 9 out of 15 by the 11 pick. 11 out of 15 in the 1st round and 13 out of 15 by pick 3 of the 2nd round. That doesn't leave a lot of space to go find a franchise QB at will, which is one of the reasons that 17 teams do not have somebody that clearly qualifies in the role. I think the Jets could easily be a half dozen years away from their next real shot at a franchise QB.
That's a solid analysis, but I think it's still too early to tell on RGIII, Luck, Dalton, and Newton. I also don't believe Freeman belongs on the list. Either way, your argument for the most part holds up that star QBs are usually taken early although I will say that all it takes is a right place, right time year of severe tanking or an aggressive draft day move to shake things up. I don't think its out of the realm of possibility that the Jets could snag one somehow in the next year or two, especially since they seem to be ready to move on from Sanchez.
The 2 are linked, but our WR has nothing to do with the problems of Sanchez. Lets say the WR corp is the worst, and agree on that (however, I am not conceding that). Sanchez is still making mistakes that not even a rookie quarterback would make. The WR corp does not affect his footwork, his decision making, and his overall attitude. That is why Sanchez is a horrible quarterback.
Freeman is a tough call. The Bucs are winning some games because they have him, he's the first name that comes to mind on offense for them and nobody is thinking they might let him go. I agree that he's not obvious but as an example I would take him over Joe Flacco every day of the week and twice on Sunday. If the Jets were likely to have a high draft pick I could see them getting lucky at the top of the 2nd round on a sliding Barkley or Aaron Murray. Where they're likely to draft I just don't see it happening this year. If they take Barkley in the middle of the 1st he'll come in with all the pressure of a 1st round pick but not really the ability to carry that weight right away. The Jets will start him anyway and things will slide from there. If they take Murray in the middle of the 2nd round he'll just die on the vine the way middle of the 2nd guys do. He got down there because everybody else passed on him and then the Jets will have a bad season next year leading to major regime change and he'll be an orphan with no stakeholders. If they took him on the 36 for example, well the stakes are very different then and nobody knows what the NFL would have done with him if he slid and maybe things turn out differently. It sounds cockamamie but crowd dynamics are real and they argue strongly that where a player is taken is highly predictive of where he winds up in the end. Of course the Jets could take Murray on the 36 and he turns into Kevin Kolb also.
We do not need a Quarterback to win games for us, we need a quarterback who doesn't lose them. Would it help to have Brady, Manning, etc? Of course, but I would be happy with a game manager, ala McElroy.
Name the team that is in championship contention year after year with a QB who doesn't lose for them as his main quality? Doesn't exist. The idea of getting a G&P game manager is a fantasy concocted by Rex, Tannenbaum and company. The odds on that working out are slim and none. If you want to win championships right now you go get a guy who can beat people with his arm. If you don't have that guy somebody who can beat you with his arm will do that every year.
Probably true. The point is that very few teams are substantially better off than the Jets at QB at this point. Most teams that think they have their guy aren't actually going to win anything substantial with him and in many cases his performance is going to be the thing that sinks them in the end. The advantage that many teams have over the Jets at QB is that their guy still believes he can perform at that high level even though he probably can't. Sanchez is just completely shot at this point. He doesn't even believe in himself let alone the truly crappy talent around him in the skill positions. The disadvantage that many teams have compared to the Jets is that soon the Jets will be forced to go looking for a real franchise QB and they have some chance of finding one if we're really lucky. Most teams that are happy at QB right now are 7 or 8 seasons away from starting the search for the guy they really need.
Since the Jets are nowhere near winning a championship, that is not the object in the short to medium run. The object now is to rebuild by closely analyzing the roster to see who should stay and who should go as the team proceeds through the next two, probably three, off seasons before it can begin to contend. In that context, a Qb like Sanchez makes that assessment process too difficult. You can't get an accurate feel for skill position players when Sanchez is turning the ball over on unforced errors. You can't develop young receivers, including RB's catching balls out of the backfield, with a qb like Muck. I read today that his completion percentage for dumpoffs is BELOW his average percentage. That's just an example of how he is not suited to help develop the team in a rebuilding process. A game manager in short is not the best Qb to have in a season with SB aspirations. But for where the Jets are, and what they have to do, a game manager would be a significant upgrade.
With the Defense and team the Jets had in 2009 all we needed was a QB that was in the 15-20 Range. The fact that we have not been able to find one in the last 44 years is a disgrace when some teams have found two in that time span. We need to find some Franchise Scouts and General Mangers and them maybe we can find out QB.
The lack of chemistry argument is lame. It doesn't cause him to fumble the ball all the time. It doesn't cause him to miss open receivers or his inability to be accurate or on target. It doesn't cause him to take unneccesary sacks or his lack of situational awareness of when to throw the ball away or scramble outside the pocket. 4 years in there should be improvement. There is none. Him and the QB coach need to go.
yes yes the game winning throws 3 years ago. in the games that we were behind because of his inept qb play. yes those and the afc divisional round playoff championships. yes that has everything to do with him being a scared qb who folds up in the pocket when pressure comes or hits his tight end he has been playing with for 4 years in the back of the head because he senses pressure that is not actually there. it has everything to do with the fact he could barely get 100 yards against the worst defense in football. it has everything to do with the fact that he cant complete a simple check down pass. these are all the rest of the teams fault, that and the lack of chemistry.
You are clearly completely delusional. Sanchez is far an away the worst QB in the NFL (except for perhaps arizona, who has no qb). This is a fact. The vast majority of backup QB's in the NFL are better then Sanchez. The words "franchize QB" and "Sanchez" should never be used together in the same sentence. If you want to have a discussion about the importance of "franchize qb's" it should be on another thread. There is absolutely no debate among sentient beings about whether or not Sanchez is or could every be a "franchize qb". The guy sucks, he is utter dog shit, and has absolutely no redeeming qualities, none. He had couple of average seasons as a rookie and 2nd year and was carried to the playoffs by a very good Jet team where he performed mediocre. All of last year, and all of this year, he has been utterly terrible. It has absolutely *NOTHING* to do with the players around him. What we saw last week in Arizona was Sanchez's absolute ceiling, where he threw for ~100 yards with 0 td's and still managed to lose a fumble. He scored 0 pts against the worst defense in the league. If we're going to have a guy at QB who totally sucks and required all star players at every other position just to make him look mediocre, then we should cut Sanchez and use Mcelroy or some other guy making the league minimum at QB, and use the money wasted on Sanchez at other positions.
