While I agree with everything you've said here, we do need to add play makers to the offense in the next couple of years. Since we are stuck with Muck next year, he will get yet another chance to prove himself. If he fails, he'll be gone, if he shows some sign of improvement, maybe he stays around the year after. I don't hold out a lot of hope for him, but there is not many quality QB's available next year to go after.
Mark Sanchez is owed nothing. He hasn't performed at a level that would give him a claim on getting things back together again. There's no "great" Mark to get back to. He's never been there. The Jets made a critical mistake in taking a guy who had started one year of college ball and trying to build an immediate Super Bowl run around him. They compounded the error by trading up for him, putting a lot of eggs in one basket. They further compounded the error by letting the talent around him evaporate. There's no place to go here. The only chance that the Jets have that Sanchez works out for them is if he miraculously becomes a star QB playing at an elite level after doing nothing in the first four years to suggest that he is capable of that. Miracle at MetLife Stadium: The Mark Sanchez Story is not exactly my idea of where the Jets efforts should be focused at this point. That's the place that turns into a few years of futility *before* the Jets get serious about the rebuild that lies in front of them at this point. As you get older you'll realize that throwing away years on a wish is a bad strategy for doing anything successfully. Mark Sanchez is a wish at this point and he's a wish that the majority of the fan base doesn't want to make any more.
being a jet fan by nature is throwing away ur life on a wish... :rofl: but ill agree to disagree that I think he is due more time
Instead of preaching redundancy like every other "GET RID OF SUCKCHEZ NOW!" poster, what is your solution? Tell us how you would handle the situation. How are you managing the Cap? Who are you drafting? Free Agents? Talent Evaluation? etc. Tell us how you would fix the NYJ problem. And the ol' "Anyone but him..!" isn't a sufficient answer.
I'd get rid of the front office that put us in this situation and bring in new people to fix the problems that have accumulated over a decade based on the flaws of the existing management. I have no clue what the right answer is but hiding under a pile of coats in the corner and pretending that Sanchez is just suddenly going to work out is a very low percentage play and one that I think the Jets need to avoid at this point. The thread title has it right. It doesn't have all the reasons lined up in rational order but it has the basic gist of the problem.
BTW, the reason the fans have "suddenly" turned on Sanchez is that he has played like a scared kid for more than a year now. All of the other problems around him are real and shouldn't be discounted but his reaction to the mess is what has turned the fans on him. Somebody earlier this year was looking for an apt way to describe Sanchez mobility and they chose the adjective "squirrely" to describe him. It was a really nice choice of words that was worth a giggle or two. The problem is it was also somewhat accurate.
it is really hard to evaluate the skill players you have when your quarterback is terrible. for instance: Larry fitzgerald is a beast, one of the best in the league. top 3. elite. yet with the garbage AZ has at quarterback, he looks pretty ordinary. in fact, his numbers are basically the same, maybe worse, then jeremy kerleys. Kerley could be an excellent player. hard to tell with mark throwing to him. he could be a great YAC guy if the ball gets to him in the right spots in stride. Stephen Hill could be very good also... i know he has the dropsies, but so did roddy white when a young vick was throwing to him. mark needs to go for us to evaluate our offense both as a whole and players individually.
37-29 but how much of that is his doing and how much is the team around him? case in point: jets are 14-4 and 3-0 in the post season when mark throws 25 times or less. the jets are 17-23 and 1-2 in the post season when mark throws more then 25 times.
why would a team with 3 horrible quarterbacks want to bring in another terrible QB? i would think they would want to bring in someone established
1) I would bench him the remainder of the season. I would start McElroy the final 3 games while giving tebow 1 or 2 FULL series per game. I would use those 3 games to evaluate whether either of them should be in my plans moving forward. 2) I cut Sanchez next season. I eat the 4-6 million cap hit, i'd rather get it out of the way next season while we are already basically dead in the water cap wise and will be in full on retool/rebuild mode. 3) I'd look to sign a cheap veteran qb like maybe alex smith or kolb or whomever might be available if cut, and have a legit open competition between Greg/Tim/Vet 4) I draft oline early. I make sure i fix that 5) i part with scott and pace and fill out my roster with cheap young players and let them play through bumps and bruises as we have a bad season. in 2014 i look to draft a qb high, and build around him moving forward
Please don't mistake my rationale as any built in excuse for Sanchez..but there are some factors that are going ignored that I don't think can be fully discounted no matter how much of a darksider you are. Go back to day 1 of Training camp. Short of week 1 against Buffalo( Ironically a game in which the Jets offense put up 30+ pts) this offense has not been at full strength at any point in time. On what wasn't a strong group to begin w/ the Jets are down to road free agents at WR as well as 3rd/4th string Tight ends. Furthermore every week those corps have almost been completely different.Not a great way to instill confidence in a QB when there is a lack of talent, lack of chemistry within a brand new system. Now the running game has picked up over the last few weeks..but other than that..what has Sanchez had to rely on?Now maybe this has proven that he can't raise the play of others..but that doesn't necesarily mean that if you surround him w/ talent that he can't produce. If there's a better option at QB this offseason...the Jets must pounce. But unless that player exists...we move forward w/ an improved skill group & see what happens.
1. Ok so neither of those guys works out because they don't have the talent to be an NFL QB. On the bright side the Jets have trouble getting to 8 wins with either of them starting so the draft pick is a little bit better. 2. The cap hit for cutting Mark Sanchez next year is 17.15 million. The only way to lower that hit significantly is to get somebody to take his contract off our hands and pay the salary for the year. This will be very hard to do because he sucks and because there are no offsets in his contract so whoever gets him next can pay whatever they want if he is cut by the Jets first. Yeah, nyjscap has the next effect of cutting Sanchez at -4.3 million on the cap but that -4.3 million is the difference between having him on the roster and cutting him. It's not the cap hit, it's the difference. 3. Any QB competition that includes McElroy and Tebow is a stone-cold disaster in the making. Neither of those guys belongs on an NFL field at the QB position. 4. That works. 5. That's going to happen almost regardless of whatever else happens.
bullshit. you don't have to be elite to be able to identify coverages pre-snap, locate open receivers and make quick throws. elite QB's simply excel at it.
we will have the same record or better with them the last 3 games as we would with sanchez since A) we play 3 awful teams and B) both are as good or better then sanchez. Then i offer someone a 4th rounder to take him off ourhands for the smaller cut. or keep him and just make him inactive for all 17 games and cut him the following season. whichever is the best way to keep him off the field with a minimal cap hit - with a priority on having him not on the team at all neither does sanchez. and its irrelevant because we are throwing away 2013 anyhow. hell it may even secure us a top 5 pick and a better shot at a long term solution at QB. win-win. yup. trying to pretend we have any chance to do anything in 2013(or 2014 if we dont try and rebuild next season) is just pure idiocy. cut the dead weight, at whatever the cost and look towards 2014 or 2015. it is going to have to get better before it gets worse, and every game sanchez starts is 1 game longer it will take to right the ship
if you want to excuse sanchez for being awful this year because of a poor support cast, fine. btu he sucked the previous 3 seasons as well. he is the problem. there is no worse option. he is the worst quarterback in pro football
there are still people out there defending him? STILL?!!?!?!?!! i like the term squirrely it fits him perfectly. mark sanchez is inaccurate, that much we can all agree upon. mark sanchez doesnt read coverage very well mark sanchez is a scared little girl when there is any pressure. mark sanchez has never been higher than the bottom 10 in many passing statistics i mean have any of you guys watched any of these past few games? they are completely unfucking watchable. its just THAT bad.
I just don't understand why we kept Sanchez in. If we knew we were only going to run the ball in the 2nd half, why not see how Tebow does to give another rushing threat? If everyone is in the consensus that Tebow doesn't have a throwing threat (which personally from seeing him play I know he does)...then how did that make him any different from Sanchez other than the fact that he brings more running options? The Jags knew Sanchez wasn't going to throw anymore...and they still couldn't stop our run game. Just terrible, terrible coaching.
On a going forward basis, I think it has yet to sink in for a number of fans that this team has to rebuild. But putting off that process will only mean it takes longer to do so. In the meantime the Jets need to better understand who that is presently on the roster deserves to stay and who should go. I differ with you in that i already know Tebow does not provide any answers for this team. He may not be any worse than Sanchez. But he is not the direction the Jets need to go in. There is no purpose in playing him. Brad is certain that McElroy sucks. But I saw someone who deserves a chance to show what he can do with a week's practice and a game plan to work with. I would start McElroy in the remaining games. It is not unrealistic to expect he might be able to be the team's solid number 2 Qb next year, which would tell us more than we presently know. It is worth a good deal. And he just might show he has the game management skills to be the starter next year if no better options turn up. Tebow has to go. Tanny will either be fired or demoted. What happens to Rex? At this point, I am comfortable saying that will depend on some other factors, such as who replaces Tanny and what that person wants to do about Rex. Rex is not owed a return by this franchise even if they win out. How come? Because in four years he has yet to show as HC that he knows what to do with the O. He does a mostly good job with the D, but the O? Not so much. Sanchez. I would try to trade him and minimize his cap hit. But the jets might be able to afford the cap hit if they start McElroy. I know that's a stretch, but it's a good reason to try McElroy out. Other Qb options. From all we hear the draft is not likely to provide an easy way out for the Jets. Assuming McElroy is not the starter next year, i would look at Orton, Moore and that sort as hold the fort guys for a year. At a minimum they will be better Qb's than Sanchez. The Offense in general. The good news the last couple of weeks is that Slauson has stepped it up. I still don't think much of Howard at RT, but I don't think right now that the Jets need to replace both OG spots. So the Jets should use a high pick next year on the line, probably at guard to replace Moore, or if BPA is an OT, go that route instead. More good news is I think that suddenly the Powell Greene rotation seems to be working (although ypc is still not great). One of my first two picks would then go to either a receiver or TE. I don't know what great plans we can have for Keller right now. He's suddenly become fragile, and does not deserve a big contract. Sparano. He's not been all bad, but to me he inspires no confidence going forward. He should be replaced. That's not bad for starters.
