Tebow will be #2 if healthy.

Discussion in 'Tebowmania' started by Organized Chaos, Dec 5, 2012.

  1. Demosthenes9

    Demosthenes9 Well-Known Member

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    Never claimed that it happened every week, but yes, it does happen, especially on lazy floaters like the one Sanchez threw.




    You are missing the point or in complete denial about it.


    For Rex to pull Sanchez and sit him on the bench, he, Rex, has to be at the point where he has seen enough.

    IF he had already reached that point in prior games, as you claim, then why in the world would he have been so slow to pull Sanchez in the AZ game ? As I have said, he didn't pull him after the 1st int, or the 2nd, or the 3rd, or the near int at the start of the second half.

    The fact of the matter is, even though Sanchez had sucked in previous games, REX WAS NOT READY TO BENCH HIM YET. Don't know why. Could be any number of reasons.

    If you will, picture it like dating or being married. The girl you are with has issues and you all fight. And fight. And fight. Friends on the outside say "Dude, why put up with this ? Just end it and go another direction".

    You don't end it. Why ? Because for whatever reason, even though it's well justified, you just aren't ready to pull that trigger. Has nothing to do with other people being available or anything like that. YOU just aren't ready to do it.

    THAT is why Rex left Sanchez in after the 1st int, and the 2nd, the 3rd, and the near int that apparently we both agree on. As shitty as Sanchez has been for most of this year, with McElroy standing right there ready to go in, Rex still waited until Sanchez made his 5th boneheaded mistake.
     
  2. BeastBeach

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    Sure it does. If you aren't happy with your girlfriend because she isn't putting out and there is a chick who is into you but won't put out you probably aren't going to dump your girlfriend. If a chick who can offer you BJs regulary becomes available that just might cause you to consider it the right time.


    So to bring this back to football...Sanchez would have to play much worse for him to get benched for Tebow than he would have to play to get benched for Mcelroy. This is why Sanchez was never pulled for Tebow. Tebow won't put out. Clearly Mcelroy put out.

    I mean this is a pretty simple concept. A coaches "point where he has seen enough" may differ depending on his evaluation of the backups talent.
     
  3. Demosthenes9

    Demosthenes9 Well-Known Member

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    Sure, a coach's "point" could differ, BUT, a coach also has to be at the point where he is ready and willing to bench his starting QB instead of continuing to give him chances to turn things around.

    You said above that Mark would have to play much worse in order to be benched in favor of Tebow. But LTJF says that Mark would have already been benched in previous games if McElroy would have been active.

    What game ? Rex didn't didn't bench Mark even after he had thrown 3 interceptions in 1 1/2 quarters against AZ. This was Mark's first 3 interception game of the season. Those 3 Ints came in his first 9 freaking attempts.
     
  4. catsigater

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    There are 8½ million reasons Sanchez is the starter. He's the only QB currently on the roster all but guaranteed to be on the team next year.

    Once the season is mathematically lost, if Sanchez is still playing like he has the last few weeks, we'll see McElroy getting the majority of the snaps, and Tebow perhaps doing mop up duty.

    If McElroy completely stinks it up, Tebow may get a start.

    But rest assured, the job will be Mark Sanchez' to lose going into training camp next year.
     
  5. BeastBeach

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    So what now interceptions are the only indicator of bad QB play?

    Let us be serious here you are just running around chasing ideas that will support your idea of a conspiracy theory to leave "ya boy" out of the game just like all the coaches had a conspiracy in Denver too.

    Nevermind the fact that coaches jobs are at stake due to losing. :rofl:
     
  6. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    I just watched the play again, it's at the 1:35 mark here:
    http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2012120203/2012/REG13/cardinals@jets#menu=highlights&tab=recap

    That wasn't even a DB, it was a d-lineman and that shit will almost never get intercepted. Calling it a near INT is a fucking joke. It's called a batted ball.
     
  7. catsigater

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    Q: What do they call a batted forward pass that's retrieved by the defense before hitting the ground?

    A: An interception.
     
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  8. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    Oh so you think it's a near INT as well? This sub forum is dripping with football knowledge.
     
  9. Demosthenes9

    Demosthenes9 Well-Known Member

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    Wow, accusing me of having a conspiracy theory ? What is more of a conspiracy ? My view that Rex wasn't ready to pull Sanchez previously, either from a psychological or emotional standpoint, OR, Rex was just itching to bench Sanchez, but he saw Tebow on the bench and didn't want to send him in. ?
     
  10. catsigater

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    Your posts are dripping with something, alright – and it ain't football acumen.

    I didn't say anything about that particular play. The fact is batted balls do get picked off, your ignorant comments notwithstanding. And when that happens, it's called an interception. Or do you need me to explain how that works?
     
  11. Demosthenes9

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    Dude, "near int" describes the one specific play. It doesn't speak to the frequency of how often something like that happens or even the probability that it could have been intercepted.

    Defender was coming right at Sanchez. Sanchez basically through the ball right at him (from a directional standpoint), but over his head. Dude had 2 hands up in the air and got both on the ball.

    Yes, onrushing defenders HAVE intercepted such passes cleanly before. They've reached up and snagged the ball right out of the air. Additionally, guys have gotten two hands up and on the ball and have tipped it either to themselves or to other defenders.

    Point is, this wasn't a case of a defender at the line just kind of reaching one paw up and batting/deflecting the ball.
     
  12. BeastBeach

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    Well considering this actually happened it can't be a theory. As soon as Tebow wasn't the #2 and Sanchez played poorly he was benched

    Truth hurts doe
     
  13. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    I'll keep this really simple. The only people who would ever call that play a "near INT" are Tebois attempting to explain away Rex never pulling a terrible Sanchez for Tebow or people who know nothing about football. That should cover it.
     
  14. catsigater

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    Goes without saying, since your posts in this sub-forum are about as simple-minded as they can be.

    Again, I made no judgment on whether or not that particular pass was a "near-interception." Just on whether you know that a batted pass which is picked up by the defense before hitting the ground is and interception or not.

    That anyone is trying to split so fine a hair shows just how obssessed they've become with fans of the Jets punt protector.
     
  15. Diddy

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    Sanchez played his worst game against Zona and the crowd was VERY anti Sanchez, it had to be done no matter who it was.

    Skip Bayless's conspiracy theory was ignorant. Tebow been limited in practice all week and Skip says he is not hurt. Please, also Tebow on Thanksgiving had to throw the ball to a sick kid he invited with his right hand.
     
  16. BeastBeach

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    lol the fact you are trying to say it is splitting hairs shows how clueless you are.

    A batted ball is not a near pick. Point blank period.

    If he had it in his hands for a second and dropped it then you could call it a near pick.

    Jesus am I really explaining this? Is this real life?
     
  17. displacedfan

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    Posted in the pregame thread but figured you guys would check here more often:

    Greg McElroy is inactive.

    Jacksonville Jaguars ‏@jaguars
    Jets inactives: McElroy, White, Gates, Sapp, Harrison, Schlauderaff, Keller
     
  18. Bill Belichdouche

    Bill Belichdouche Well-Known Member

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    Great, there goes any chance of sanchez being benched today regardless of how bad he will play
     
  19. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    I look forward to your ridiculous explanation of why Rex was unwilling to go to Tebow last night.
     
  20. JFjets

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    Same reason he hasn't gone with him before. He's tied to Sanchez, for better or worse, and he clearly made a decision at some point before the year started, that he would sink or swim with Sanchez, and he's sinking. He ain't happy with the Sanchize, though, that's for sure. After the game when everyone was mingling on the field I briefly saw Rex and Mark pass each other and Rex completely gave him the cold shoulder, just ignored him.

    Your argument that he just doesn't want to go with Tebow is ridiculous in light of the fact that he could activate McElroy instead of Tebow and bench Sanchez for McElroy, just like he did against Arizona. Except he hasn't, not to this point anyway. What is your explanation for why he won't do that?

    How do you explain that supposedly multiple suits in the front office were pushing for McElroy to start after the Arizona game, and Rex goes back to Sanchez? Is that because of Tebow?
     
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