The practice all-star cant even hit a SCREENPASS. We dont run screens cause he cant do it. Well.. we will run them, but only with Tebow, who throws like a highscooler, but hey, at least he can hit a freakin screen.
wow, can i have what you are smoking! A top 10 QB in 2010?? please check the numbers. He was 27 in 2010 RK PLAYER TEAM COMP ATT PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G 1 Tom Brady, QB NE 324 492 65.9 3,900 7.93 79 36 4 25 111.0 244 2 Philip Rivers, QB SD 357 541 66.0 4,710 8.71 59 30 13 38 101.8 294 3 Aaron Rodgers, QB GB 312 475 65.7 3,922 8.26 86 28 11 31 101.2 261 4 Michael Vick, QB PHI 233 372 62.6 3,018 8.11 91 21 6 34 100.2 252 5 Ben Roethlisberger, QB PIT 240 389 61.7 3,200 8.23 56 17 5 32 97.0 267 6 Josh Freeman, QB TB 291 474 61.4 3,451 7.28 64 25 6 28 95.9 216 7 Joe Flacco, QB BAL 306 489 62.6 3,622 7.41 67 25 10 40 93.6 226 8 Matt Cassel, QB KC 262 450 58.2 3,116 6.92 75 27 7 26 93.0 208 9 Matt Schaub, QB HOU 365 574 63.6 4,370 7.61 60 24 12 32 92.0 273 10 Peyton Manning, QB IND 450 679 66.3 4,700 6.92 73 33 17 16 91.9 294 RK PLAYER TEAM COMP ATT PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G 11 Matt Ryan, QB ATL 357 571 62.5 3,705 6.49 46 28 9 23 91.0 232 12 Drew Brees, QB NO 448 658 68.1 4,620 7.02 80 33 22 25 90.9 289 13 David Garrard, QB JAC 236 366 64.5 2,734 7.47 75 23 15 33 90.8 195 14 Jon Kitna, QB DAL 209 318 65.7 2,365 7.44 71 16 12 21 88.9 237 15 Kyle Orton, QB DEN 293 498 58.8 3,653 7.34 71 20 9 34 87.5 281 16 Jay Cutler, QB CHI 261 432 60.4 3,274 7.58 89 23 16 52 86.3 218 17 Eli Manning, QB NYG 339 539 62.9 4,002 7.43 92 31 25 16 85.3 250 18 Jason Campbell, QB OAK 194 329 59.0 2,387 7.26 73 13 8 33 84.5 184 19 Carson Palmer, QB CIN 362 586 61.8 3,970 6.78 78 26 20 26 82.4 248 20 Kerry Collins, QB TEN 160 278 57.6 1,823 6.56 80 14 8 13 82.2 182 RK PLAYER TEAM COMP ATT PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G 21 Alex Smith, QB SF 204 342 59.6 2,370 6.93 62 14 10 25 82.1 215 22 Ryan Fitzpatrick, QB BUF 255 441 57.8 3,000 6.80 65 23 15 24 81.8 231 23 Shaun Hill, QB DET 257 416 61.8 2,686 6.46 75 16 12 17 81.3 244 24 Donovan McNabb, QB WSH 275 472 58.3 3,377 7.16 76 14 15 37 77.1 260 25 Sam Bradford, QB STL 354 590 60.0 3,512 5.95 49 18 15 34 76.5 220 26 Chad Henne, QB MIA 301 490 61.4 3,301 6.74 57 15 19 30 75.4 220 27 Mark Sanchez, QB NYJ 278 507 54.8 3,291 6.49 74 17 13 27 75.3 206 28 Matt Hasselbeck, QB SEA 266 444 59.9 3,001 6.76 87 12 17 29 73.2 214 29 Brett Favre, QB MIN 217 358 60.6 2,509 7.01 53 11 19 22 69.9 193 30 Derek Anderson, QB ARI 169 327 51.7 2,065 6.32 43 7 10 25 65.9 172 RK PLAYER TEAM COMP ATT PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G 31 Jimmy Clausen, QB CAR 157 299 52.5 1,558 5.21 55 3 9 33 58.4 120
Nobody is talking about fantasy football numbers, they are talking about his actual game and performance statistics. the fact that your entire argument is dependent on dismissing and minimizing his actual game and performance statistics as fantasy numbers reflects how little of an argument you have against those facts and simply cannot dispute them.
a person who just posts rankings doesn't understand this game so save your rankings and ratings for someone else
the game and position is about more than individual fantasy #s. He brought us back 5-6 times late in games in 2010, he was vital to winning 11 games on a team where the D consistently choked in late game situations and the run game was up and down all year long. I don't want a guy who puts up meaningless #s in blowouts, I want one to make plays at critical times. Up until the last year or so Mark Sanchez was doing that.
again, those aren't fantasy numbers. they are facts. interpretation of facts does not supersede those facts, and you cannot even interpret those stats in favor of your own position because your position has no merit, so you dismiss them. you must also be a flat earther. "I don't care about fantasy images from space, the ground is flat that I walk on so the earth must be flat."
They are b/c they have no context. not all TDs and INTs are equal, some guy that throws 3 garbage time TDs is not having a bettre game than a QB throwing 1 big TD late in a game. Right now Sanchez sucks and his #s agree w/ that but anyone that thinks he sucked 2 years ago has no clue what they were watching.
another QB having inflated statistics is irrelevant to whether Sanchez's statistics reflect accurately upon his performance. now you are deflecting.
Did you not see mark making big plays to win games throughout the 2010 season? at Miami, at Den. at Cle, at Det, vs. Hou, etc...? did you not see him lead a GW drive in the final minute on the road in the playoffs? setting his K up for a chip shot no less. Did you not see him outduel the best QB in the game in the div rd? There's no deflection, too many people judge based soley on out of context stats. Mark has been brutal this year and stinks right now, that doesn't mean he stunk 2 years ago. Sometimes #s lie and in 2010 they did, anyone who watched him play that year knows he was MUCH better than the #s.
It's year four he's worst in the league in completion %, bottom five in rating, terrible TD/INT ratio, terrible picks in the red zone, can't protect the football, can't read defenses at all. I mean at this point the guy is what he is.
Numbers reflect the totality of someone's performance for the entire game or season. Two years ago Mark certainly had big drives, but having a big drive to win a game, although great for the team, does not then equate to him playing great the entire game or season. the statistics are not lying about his overall performance. Mark Sanchez could have played a bad game overall, had a successful drive or two when they counted and the team won. all three can occur, but you want to make the ridiculous argument that if the last two occurred, the first one did not. that has no merit whatsoever. and, yes, when you argue that his statistics don't reflect his performance because other QB's statistics are bloated, you are certainly deflecting. one, it is a completely false, and you cannot even defend the assertion. the great QB's put up great statistics during meaningful times of the game, so having great statistics does not equate to fantasy and meaningless statistics, which is your only defense of Sanchez's statistics being poor in comparison. Sanchez did not play great two years ago. he made tons of mistakes and had many poor games overall. just because he also made big plays and we won some of those games does not eliminate the mistakes and poor play overall. and that is the problem with Sanchez. he had great moments and horrible moments, but those horrible moments were expected and excused because he was a rookie and second year QB. it was expected with experience he would eliminate those mistakes and increase the occurrences of big plays, but the opposite has happened. he has increased the mistakes and now cannot make the big plays. that is what anyone who has watched Sanchez two years ago knows. the numbers didn't lie.
I'd rather a QB play great when it matters most than play great for 3 qtrs and stink in crunch time. he wasn't always consistent but when it was winningtime he stepped up, that's a great quality in a QB. The problem has been getting him to be consistent for 4 qtrs, can he ever do that? I don't know but I've seen enouhg of him to know I don't want to give up on him yet. I'm not a strict #s guy, I have seen far too many suppsoed "great" QBs that can't play when it matters most. The QBs jobs is to win not put up incredible #s, the best usually do both but I prefer wins over #s. Right now he's doing neither and he stinks but that doesn't mean it will always be like that.
And Flacco also clearly regressed in 2011. Look at the stats. It was his worst season in just about all categories, besides his rookie year for yards and TDs. Everything else was worse or tied with his worst. Comp % was the lowest of his career. It just goes to show you, when you make big changes to the WR core, it affects the QB, and Sanchez has new WRs almost every year he's been here, and it's not just #4s and 5s. It's 1s and 2s. In 2011, Flacco still had Boldin, which was his #1 receiver by far. Boldin and a few scrubs is still better than the Jets WR core this year. We have nobody close to Boldin other than Holmes, who is injured. So yeah, it's definitely 100% supported by facts lol. Mason was effectively replaced by Torrey Smith who started becoming a deep threat late last year. The Ravens clearly have had more continuity with WRs than the Jets and it's not even close. How many top ten WRs have the Jets even had as of late? I can't think of one. Holmes hasn't been top 10 since Pittsburgh, I believe. We haven't had a single WR in the top 10 since Coles. Maybe you mean something else by top ten, because I don't see any Baltimore WRs in the top 10 for the past 5 years, either.
and he has RAY RICE, we've never had a weapon like Rice w/ Sanchez. 4th and 26 he takes a dump off and gets a 1st down(though he really only got 25 yds) last week to rescue Baltimore. who can do that for us? no one. There's not many guys in the league that can do that.
Very true. In fact, I'd argue that it's not just WR stability, it's even more affected by the running game. Imagine the Jets with a RB like Ray Rice. It would change everything. Sanchez and the WR scrubs this year could probably do decent with a RB that's a consistent threat. We haven't had that since Curtis Martin and to a lesser extent, Thomas Jones. If we had a great RB, we wouldn't have so many 3rd and longs, which is the biggest down Sanchez struggles at because the D always plays the pass because we literally have no chance of running it. I think this is a big part of Sanchez' struggles. His picks are usually on 3rd and long. We need to reduce the amount of 3rd and longs, but we don't have that guy. We also don't have a running back that can consistently catch passes. I keep thinking Mcknight will take over that LT / Leon Washington role, but he hasn't been that consistent either.
LaDainian Tomlinson and Jerrico Cotchery both were capable of that. The Sanchez legend is very different right now if Cotchery doesn't take the ball 58 yards against the Pats in the playoffs on a dumpoff.
LT 5 years ago maybe, I love Cotch but no chance he could do what Rice did. The Cotch pass at NE wasn't a dump off, it was a great play from all involved including Sanchez getting it out accurately and on time and some great downfield blocking as well as a great effort by Cotch.
You realize you go from stating how there is no way Cotch could make a huge play on a dump off to explaining a play where cotch took a short pass and took it to the house on a great effort right?
if you think those plays are anything alike I can't help you. One was a 1st down hit perfectly in stride, the other a dump off on 4th and 29. They were NOTHING alike. you are comparing this: [YOUTUBE]PMB9XYPJ0EY[/YOUTUBE] to this: fat forward to 3:55 mark [YOUTUBE]UE-1n1Y04pQ[/YOUTUBE] SERIOUSLY?????
I'm not at all getting your argument, you seem to have proven mine, both plays thrown about 10-15 past the line of scrimmage, both amazing efforts after the catch.
