Sanchez just sucks... just sucks. (all Sanchez complaints here)

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  1. TNJet

    TNJet Well-Known Member

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    Tanny is a capoligst but talent evaluator he is not. He has failed time to move on.
     
  2. Cellar-door

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    Without cutting Sanchez they'll have trouble improving the team with the cap how it is, cutting him means the team will be historically bad.
    If the team is going to be terrible, why not hold onto Sanchez and start the rebuild on the line with the money saved?
    Then you can cut Sanchez after 2013 and save a good chunk of cash.
     
  3. truthbtold

    truthbtold Well-Known Member

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    So that's your solution? "Hey honey ... all the food in the refrigerator has gone rotten, but we already paid for it, so what the hell ... let's try to force down those rotten eggs and sour milk"

    Yeah ... great idea.

    The guy can't play. He's not going to suddenly become good. This isn't Fantasy Island.

    EDIT: BTW ... you might have heard, the Mets finally cut Jason Bay. They owed him a ton of money, but they finally got tired of seeing him pop out with the bases loaded.
     
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  4. Barcs

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    When life gives you lemons, you make lemonade. A better analogy would be a house that needs repair. You invested the money already, and if you don't repair it the house will collapse on itself. Obviously you make the repair to avoid paying out the ass in the future. Rotten food, that's just poor management of your resources, Tanny style. Tanny's maintenance on this "house" has been pretty bad over the years and its leading to problems. We should make the repairs and move on.

    Mark has shown that he's capable with a stronger supporting staff. So lets make those repairs and fortifications, instead of letting the team collapse on itself and be handicapped. We've already invested too much to just boot him when he's already helped lead us to wins in the playoffs.
     
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  5. Cellar-door

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    Baseball doesn't have a salary cap.

    And the groceries is a poor comparison, you just buy new groceries. You can't cut Sanchez and pay to replace him, until 2014 at the earliest.

    There is no good argument for cutting Sanchez before the end of 2013 none.
    Drafting a possible replacement? Getting a better backup so you can bench him sure. Cutting Sanchez to use your groceries analogy would be like saying... hey the groceries all went bad, let's throw out the refrigerator and burn the house down.
     
  6. NFLTime

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    There is a perfectly good argument to cut Sanchez. he is an absolutley terrible football player. They cannot continue to trot him out on the field. Put in McElroy, see if you have anything there. Then next season, sign a journeyman veteran. Believe me, this team would be alot better off with a Kyle Orton, Hassbelbeck, Matt Moore type of guy. And draft a rookie.
    Sanchez is straight garbage.
     
  7. alleycat9

    alleycat9 Well-Known Member

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    i agree with the fact that you are not going to get a guy who sucks to not suck no matter how much money you owe him or how much he counts against the cap..

    he sucks donkey balls and there is no way around that. i would rather not fucking watch him suck.
     
  8. Cellar-door

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    No that is a reason to not play him, demote him to 3rd string by all means fine.
    However CUTTING him does the same thing except with the added disadvantage of costing a ton more money and ensuring you can't sign anyone of value.
    There is no logical argument to cut him.
     
  9. Frenbar

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    Wrong on three accounts. First, cutting him sends a message to the team that if you play like utter dog shit and are an embarrassment to the organization you will no longer be a Jet. Second, it frees up a roster spot. Third, it sends a message to the fans that the organization understands that serious mistakes have been made in personnel and that major changes are happening.
     
  10. _Jet_

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    Sanchez is the least problem we need to worry about this team. We may get better WRs by randomly pickup guys from McDonalds. Eva Longoria could have put more pressure on opponents QB than our LBs and DEs do. We also need a real #2 QB who can play the same playbook as #1. As I said before, we need to be patient not to jump into conclusion too soon. If I were Woody, I will give Sanchez three more seasons to prove himself. Hire new HC, get better WRs and RBs, do whatever it takes.
     
  11. Cellar-door

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    Teams that make bad financial decisions to "send a message" and teams that make decisions to "let the fans know" are teams that are preparing to be perennial cellar dwellers. Those aren't logical reasons to make a move, they are emotional reasons. Any GM who made that move brands himself as so grossly incompetent he would never work again. There is zero positive that comes from it and a massive negative.
     
  12. NYCKNP

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    I second that. The irony is that the 3 idiots film is much better than this current team.
     
  13. Frenbar

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    What planet do you live on?

    Signing Sanchez, and giving him more money in the off season, was the "bad financial decision". Getting rid of a guy who is a total loser is not a bad financial decision. It's logical to get rid of a QB who you have absolutely _NO_ chance to win with. The poor, emotional decision is to stick with a guy who has proven that he should be selling oranges on the side of the road, not throwing footballs in the NFL. If you aren't absolutely convinced of Mike T's gross incompetence at this point, give up watching football. After the Jets cut him loose, whether it's this year or some future year, he will never work as a GM again. You cannot get any more massively negative then a dog shit QB who turns the ball over in every critical situation.
     
  14. NYJets82

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    There are perfectly good reasons to cut Sanchez: because his contract is sunk cost, because there are quarterbacks that offer more (whether in terms of current production or future potential), and because he is incapable of serving the role of backup for this team.

    His contract is signed. Whether he plays or not is immaterial. The money is gone.

    He's a horrendous player and he's never going to be a quality starter. There are many available quarterbacks that either a) aren't horrendous, or b) haven't proven they will never be quality starters.

    And finally, he can't serve as a backup for us. His contract status and his past would cause problems. It would divide the locker room. He'd also in all likelihood sulk.

    The cost of cutting him is merely the cost of signing a replacement -- which could very easily be a veteran minimum salary.
     
  15. Cellar-door

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    So to the two above.
    IT'S NOT FUCKING BASEBALL
    His contract is a sunk cost yes, but unlike baseball because of the cap keeping him on the bench saves the team a ton of cap room in 2013, baseball has no cap so the money is the same no matter when you cut a guy it doesn't accelerate.
    Look at the cap figures. If Sanchez is cut they have very very little room and a ton of holes. It could well be the difference between getting a good contributing player on a long term deal this offseason and not being able to sign anyone but the Clyde Gates and Eliis Lanksters of the world.

    If you can't see this you are either really bad at math or have no idea how the league operates.
    Throwing away cap space is dumb under any definition. An extra space on the end of the roster is all you gain and a guy who won't play anyway isn't worth millions of dollars in cap space and sacrificing any chance at a decent FA signing.
    Sanchez could be benched for a newly signed Hasselbeck type or a rookie and the team could add good pieces at places like O-line, D-line, S, etc. OR in your scenario they cut Sanchez and the team can't sign anyone except minimum salary scrubs.
     
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    Couldn't the FO trade him away and agree to pay part of his salary to a different team, opening up a roster spot and spending what money they other team would pay Sanchez on another player?
     
  17. AarontheJet

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    Pure and utter stupidity.
     
  18. NYJets82

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    I would take Matt Moore over Sanchez in a heartbeat. It's not even that close.
     
  19. Demosthenes9

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    Kind of yes, kind of no. IF the difference in cap hit were overly large, then I'd agree with you 100%. Take this year for example, the cap acceleration would have been $16+ million. That's huge. If they cut Sanchez is 2013, the cap hit is much smaller @ $4.3 mil. Sure, it's not chump change, but it amounts to about 4% of the cap. It's easy to make a good case that it's worth it for the team to go ahead and take that hit instead of keeping Sanchez on the roster.
     
  20. TNJet

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    I see your point, but can you name one offensive skill player that wants to play with Sanchez at QB? He is not only a financial liability, but he also dissuades talent from coming here. Players like to win
     
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