We Put Sanchez In The Position to Fail

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  1. LongIslandBlitz

    LongIslandBlitz Well-Known Member

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    This offense is not better without Holmes comeon guys, He is a Superbowl MVP and won us alot of games his first year and he won us the Miami game this year. Holmes is our best weapon and i want him back next season period, i hate this argument our offense that went two weeks without a TD is better without Holmes???
     
  2. Brunell's Debt

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    Well the Jets offense has been a raging garbage fire since Holmes got hurt, so I'm pretty skeptical of that claim.

    I don't particularly like Holmes -- and I really don't like his contract -- but it seems clear to me that the Jets are a better team with him than without him.

    The fact that the Jets are bad doesn't mean that Sanchez is good. Would he be playing better if he were surrounded by a great supporting cast? Sure. Doesn't mean that the Jets shouldn't try to upgrade from him anyway.
     
  3. 101GangGreen101

    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    Uh what? Holmes is a freaking bum and has helped us LOSE more games than he's helped us win.
     
  4. JetsVilma28

    JetsVilma28 Well-Known Member

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    Holmes is bad for this team. Rex, allows players too many freedoms and Holmes is too immature to play on a team with no rules. The Steelers dumped their "Super Bowl" MVP bc they no longer wanted to put up with his antics. I don't even think Rothelisburger petitioned to have him back. I think Rothelisburger has better leadership (on the field) and stronger ability to control his huddle than Sanchez.

    Holmes had so much potential and has made some great plays for us, but his ego is devastating to the chemistry and dynamics of our offense. He has become a major liability since his resigning and promotion to El Capitan.

    Holmes is actually the guy that should be leading the clown car in the papers.
     
  5. Murrell2878

    Murrell2878 Lets go JETS!
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    There's two sides to that coin. The offense was pretty bad with him in the lineup against the Steelers and 49ers and was pretty bad w/ him last year as well. I'm not denying his incredible talents on the field. But I feel he sets the offense and Sanchez back when he's playing because of his divisive nature. I also question his heart and competitive nature since he got his contract.

    I don't deny his talents, but I do question whether or not he actually makes us better.
     
  6. Poeman

    Poeman Well-Known Member

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    This is ridiculous...Sanchez is putting up essentially the same numbers with talent than without any talent around him.

    He has regressed each year...Signs of a QB that does not belong as a starter
     
  7. Br4d

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    Cotchery was struggling already, with all the nagging injuries, before he left and not just in 2010. He was hurt for periods in 2009 also. He's also 30 and definitely in decline now.

    He went to the Steelers as the 3rd receiver and quickly got pushed to 4th by the emergence of Antonio Brown. The idea that keeping him would have made a huge difference for Sanchez is probably not valid. It would have made a difference having him instead of Mason but probably not a big difference.

    Edwards is another story. i think he and Sanchez worked well together and there's no way of knowing if the injury would have occurred if he stayed here. Edwards certainly complimented Holmes well and there's an argument to be made that Holmes was the complimentary receiver not Edwards.

    BTW, as you know I am a big fan of Jerrico Cotchery and I'd have gone out of my way to keep him but not with any expectation that the best was ahead of him. Not at 29 and with the injury history of the last few seasons.
     
  8. Hobbes3259

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    I cant say this enough...once they drafted Hill, they should have brought Plax back, as a posession receiver.

    Plax,Hill,Kerley, and Keller would have been the right combo.
     
  9. JetsVilma28

    JetsVilma28 Well-Known Member

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    If we are analyzing game to game, Sanchez actually improved from Seattle (that was horrible).

    Hill dropped really easy pass that had potential to go Big, Sanchez threw a TD bomb (accuracy was a bit off but it was a catch), he didn't get strip sacked, he completed a screen pass, he even ran a PA BOOTLEG for a gain of 9yds and he didn't throw an INT.

    :beer: progress

    Sanchez ball faking on the PA BOOTLEG that he did get caught on was TERRIBLE. Pennigton had shit for an arm, but that guy could fake the daylights out of the best NFL defenses. Pennington was a master at ball faking and he had the balls to turn his back to defenses for an extra second in order to really sell a fake.
     
  10. LongIslandBlitz

    LongIslandBlitz Well-Known Member

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    It was the four game suspension that was why they traded him,it was the icing on the cake atleast and we got him for a steal a 5th rounder
     
  11. LongIslandBlitz

    LongIslandBlitz Well-Known Member

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    Yea but aside from Larry Fitzgerald every great WR has an ego,Holmes can make plays alot of other WR's can't make, his ability to keep his feet in bounds is insane
     
  12. JetsVilma28

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    Plax, just for red zone purposes. He must have really pissed off NYJ FO
     
  13. LongIslandBlitz

    LongIslandBlitz Well-Known Member

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    in 2010 Sanchez went the first 5 games without turning the ball over, And we won every one of those games and started out 5-0, intresting fact there guys,and he didn't turn the ball over against the Colts to
     
  14. JetsVilma28

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    I would take a younger production receiver like Cotchery or Chrebet than a flashy ego maniac like Holmes or Terell Owens. With Holmes you just never know what you're going to get on the field, every down, for 60mins. For a Champion, there seems to be a lot of, "quit" in him. If Rothelisburger and the Steelers organization failed to control 'Tone, Sanchez and the New York Jets will never be able to control 'Tone.

    Player should never come before team.
     
  15. Brunell's Debt

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    It makes sense on paper, but the fact that no team has even worked Burress out (as far as I know) speaks volumes. It seems like NFL teams have universally decided that Plax is more trouble than he's worth at this point.
     
  16. The Dark Knight

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    Yeah true, even they might not succeed here.

    Yeah, good point.

    My point was people want Sanchez gone, but for who?

    Matt Ryan? Joe Flacco? Jay Cutler? Tony Romo? Michael Vick? Matt Schaub? Alex Smith? Philip Rivers? NONE of them would be doing well here right now. So I don't get the point of wanting to replace Sanchez. Especially with Tebow. Terrible.
     
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    Considering that Cotchery is 2 years older than Holmes (and Chrebet has to be 40 by now,) I have no clue what you're talking about.
     
  18. JetsVilma28

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    Character


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  19. LongIslandBlitz

    LongIslandBlitz Well-Known Member

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    The only plus to having Tebow in over Sanchez would be less turnovers if any, and he can extend plays with his feet and run for the first witch would give us more offensive possesions for sure,and Robert Malone could rest his leg for 5 mins
     
  20. Falco21

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    How does this make sense. In reality, he has progressed every year.

    His first three years his completion percentage went up every year, as has his QB rating. That was one of the bright spots on his resume, that he was in fact improving. How does your comment make any sense?
     

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