Sanchez just sucks... just sucks. (all Sanchez complaints here)

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  1. feldspar

    feldspar Member

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    The people saying that Hill wasn't open need to have their heads examined. If he wasn't open, then there is no such thing.

    Just LOOK at how much space there was available for Sanchez to lead him to the left too.
     
  2. Ajitator

    Ajitator Well-Known Member

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    Yea, agreed. Stats can be misleading sometimes but I guess my point was more that knowing our/Sanchez's deficiencies, Why aren't we calling a higher % of passes that are easier for Sanchez to complete.
     
  3. catfish

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    If they get too predictable the corners start jumping the routes and a pick on a swing route goes for 7 every time, and although they pad Sanchez comp% stats they really havent been effective, those passes are only gaining 5 YPA, whereas the passes 10-20 yards are getting 8+ yards per attempt even though the completion% is lower.

    edit: it is actually arguable that shorter passes aren't signifigantly easier for him to complete at this point.
     
  4. ArmandJ

    ArmandJ Well-Known Member

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    When was the last time Sanchez ever scrambled out of a broken play? It feels as though when nobody is open he either gets sacked or picked off. I can't remember him EVER just tucking the ball and sliding for some yardage and ball control.
     
  5. feldspar

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    He's not accurate on those shorter passes either.
     
  6. JetsVilma28

    JetsVilma28 Well-Known Member

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    You could not be more wrong. In fact on Sunday night football they showed two frames of a Texans play designed exactly the same and in one of the play Schaub boot legs and hits someone for a wide open pass. On Monday night, they showed basically the same thing with Charles and Cassel. The bootleg is very much alive in the NFL, effective and we do not use it at all in our playbook. Let's start with one bootleg and if we are running the ball well we can keep 'em coming from there.

    I totally agree about Sanchez. He has looked like shit for awhile now.
     
  7. JetsVilma28

    JetsVilma28 Well-Known Member

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    Go back to his very first start against the Texans or his second start against the Titans. Remember him lowering his head for the touchdown? What happened to that bravado?
     
  8. alleycat9

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    the issue is that mark came off of him too early. as i said before its because he is a scared cunt of a man in the pocket who always thinks he is going to get hit even when nobody is around him.

    then to look away and not throw tells me he was scared of the db coming up and making the play.

    then to actually fucking throw it tells me he is a complete fucking moron who shouldnt be playing quarterback in the nfl.
     
  9. Section 227. Row 5

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    That's what Tebow brings to the game and that's why it's time to make the call and get him on the field, otherwise we're not going to have any idea whether he's improved as a pure passer. And we'll need to give him enough time to get into a rythm. We haven't seen squat from him because he's on the field less than our punter is on the field. Nobody gets into a rythm with that.

    And addressing your post about Tebow running it for the first, has anyone noticed how well he dives headfirst after the tackle? He's picking up an extra 2 yards every time he does that, in comparison to having your 1st string QB have to run it and then slide in, making it a 4th and one.

    It may already be too late, but we don;t know what we have with Tebow unless we get him out there. The hell with what it does to Sanchez' ego... we're beyond that now. For all we know, Sanchez won;t even be here in 2013, so Rex shouldn't be giving that one singel thought.
     
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    I wish you would stop beating around the bush and tell us what you really think of Sanchez.
     
  11. General Fan

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    Have you seen the article posted by TTTTebowandtheJets in the Tebowmania forum. It's an article from nyjetscap.com titled "2013 cap affecting 2012 decision". From it's reasoning, the Jets cannot start Tebow until late in this season, essentially only once the Jets are eliminated.
     
  12. JetsVilma28

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    He's like Maverick, he lost his edge. He looks at a wide open receiver pump fakes and says, "it doesn't look good." He just won't engage.

    I think this is partly him not having his head in the game like his first two years. He's a B list celebrity banging top notch models, not like when he first got here and teammates were reporting he was a, "gym rat" that never left the classroom or the gym. Also, I think management in Schotty, Rex and now Sparano handcuffing Sanchez into set plays. They should have cut him loose last season and just let him figure this league out. In this league you have to make adjustments at the line of scrimmage on every play. Sanchez is like a child that has become dependent on coaching to make the decisions for him. Let it fly!

    Finally, the constant change of offensive players was detrimental to his growth. Remember how he use to talk about "J Co" is out there "he has my back" "He'll make the right adjustments and get open." We had Brick, Mangold, Faneca, Moore, Woody. Leadership in Jones, Richardson, Tomlinson. Who is out there now that is a leader??? Holmes??? You want Holmes offering advice to Sanchez? The only thing Holmes is going to ask for is the ball and in the process not work to get open and talk shit about everyone else. We need blue collar, production type players.
     
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    nyjunc is correct for once.

    One still shot doesn't tell the whole story.
    It's far worse than one frozen image can possibly convey.

    With the magic of TiVo, I looked at the play numerous times from every angle that CBS showed. It not only disproves the idea that it wasn't a good play call, it shows a quarterback that has seriously regressed. Sanchez had three opportunities to let loose of the ball and complete a relatively easy touchdown pass, but hesitated until the inevitable happened.

    Hill wasn't just wide open at the moment that the still shows, he was open or breaking open the moment he ran by the shallow coverage. He was motioning to Sanchez as soon as he made his break to the middle of the end zone. He knew it, we knew it...everybody knew it except Sanchez. He looked at him well before he set up to throw to Keller, and even gave a cursory glance again before looking back to Keller.

    And Keller was open not just once, but twice...yet Sanchez refused to pull the trigger until his tight end had drifted backwards over the goal line, which he felt safe enough to do because there was plenty of cushion. Yet Sanchez, instead of throwing the football at that point, instead decided to gift us with another pump fake before throwing a somewhat weak pass to him that was easily intercepted.

    Keep in mind that there was a 4 man rush by Seattle, with 6 Jets in pass protection. Shit...one of the Seahawks linemen (94) got off the ball so late he was a total non-factor. There was a perfect pocket for Sanchez to work from, with absolutely no pressure...yet he's back there tap dancing like a nervous little bunny rabbit.

    None of the issues that get thrown around by the Sanchez fans to excuse his play were prevalent on this play. The problem with our quarterback is in his head.

    As capable as he may have looked during the "glory years", that player has left the building. It's time for him to sit and figure some things out.
     
  14. ajax

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    Basically middle of the league.
     
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    Only thing I can disagree with is your contention that Keller was open "twice". He was NEVER COVERED until the very end. Can't put "twice" on there :)

    He was open the second he made his break and he stayed open the entire time right up until the end :)
     
  16. Section 227. Row 5

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    ^^^ This is good stuff ^^^
     
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    Demosthenes9 Well-Known Member

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    What we need is a QB who isn't afraid of his own shadow, and who, when Holmes even started running his mouth, could smack him down, tell him to STFU and run his routes.

    Sanchez does not have command of this offense or this team.

    It's understandable his first or second year, when he was a "wet behind the ears" young QB. He's in his 4th year now, it's unacceptable.
     
  18. General Fan

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    It was a great play call. At least two receivers were wide open and Sanchez still screwed it up. What's worse is that watching the play you can see how quickly he discarded Hill (easy TD) as an option and stared down on Keller (also open but more difficult throw), only to hesitate again! That play is a perfect example of a rookie mistake....made by a fourth year full time starter.
     
  19. Acad23

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    Yes...he was open the whole time. What I meant to convey was that he was wide open both times Sanchez looked his way.

    You can almost see Keller thinking "Ok...you don't want to throw to me here? How about I drift over into the end zone and you throw me the ball there."

    Why Sanchez decided to pump fake the ball a second time before letting it go is anyone's guess.
     
  20. NewYorkEveryThing

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    This shot is the worse cause he is staring hill down and just needed to throw a little to the left...But instead . Turns his head.. Pump fakes three times. Then throws a slow short pass to a covered keller!




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    #2520 NewYorkEveryThing, Nov 13, 2012
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