Difference is the Patriots were not the better team on Sunday, the Jets deserved that win. Penalties are subjective they do not matter someone is always going to see them differently. However clock operating issues, missed unsportsmanlike conduct penalties, etc. are a part of the rules and arent subjective. When they are missed fans are going to be angry. In addition to the fact that a huge flag was thrown 25 yards away from the play. Bottom line is fans from both teams will complain with the winning team obviously complaining much less. However, it is procedural calls such as unsportsmanlike for challenging unchangeable plays and clock operator issues, there is a basis for complaining.
Neither one of those "issues" you mention have really been substantiated. Was the clock stopped at the right time? I believe I have made a compelling argument, complete with videos and still images, that it was. At worst, it is "subjective". Did Belichick really try to challenge the play? The NFL says "NO", and the only evidence otherwise is a TV commentator speaking off the cuff who could have easily been confused when he saw officials heading to the replay booth. The league hasn't shied away from admitting mistakes before: http://thecelebritycafe.com/feature...eahawks-packers-call-will-not-overturn-result http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/n...dmits-clock-error-late-in-lions-win-over-rams http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--n...e-denied-raiders-of-final--untimed--play.html http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/19/nfl-admits-bad-spot-gave-49ers-five-free-yards/ yet they have specifically said that both of those situations were handled correctly.
I'm not saying the refs cost us this game, but they definitely contributed along with several of our own blunders. That PI call was such nonsense as well as the phantom clock stopping at 2:01.
Yeah and the source is the cheater BB... Nice info... I would take that comment from BB with a grain of salt... The guy is shady.
He is what GOPATS is talking about...http://www.deepintosports.com/2011/10/02/nfl-week-4-picks-and-analysis-football-2/ Bellichick shows his lying side when he fails to admit that the critical difference between the Snow Bowl play and Testaverde’s fumble that was taken away from the Patriots; Brady had both hands on the ball when Woodson blasted him–best seen at the :56 to :58 mark–Testaverde was still at some point in the throwing motion when Anthony Pleasant got to him.
I think you would actually like my opinion, if you read back through this thread. I'm a Patriots fan but I try to call 'em like I see 'em. The Jets didn't help themselves on Sunday but there were definitely some questionable calls at key moments. Like I said, the PI call on Wilson in OT was just junk, IMO... you gotta let those go in overtime. Like another poster said, in all sports, the stars and winning teams tend to get calls that other players and teams don't. I recognize that, it'd be asinine to deny it. I have no idea what the hell you're even talking about. You asked when the Tuck Rule had been applied prior to the Pats-Raiders game and I posted a link. I never gave my opinion on the Tuck Rule itself (it's a bullshit rule) or how it was applied in any particular case.
PI shouldn't get the ball at the spot of the foul. It should be 15 yards and a first, unless done in the endzone. Too many games are decided by long passes and jump balls where the call always seems to go to the receiver. They rarely ever call offensive PI and I see receivers push off all the time. People don't have to earn victories anymore at the end of games, just toss the ball up and try to get the call. It's stupid.
Here is the official wording of the rule: It has nothing to do with whether the QB has one or two hands on the ball. The tuck rule is designed to help QBs who are tucking the ball to protect it (as Brady was), not complete a forward throwing motion. The distinction is whether he is in the act of tucking the ball into his body when he loses the ball (forward pass) or he had already tucked the ball into his body when he loses the ball (fumble). I personally hate the concept of any "tuck" rule. IMO a QB should simply be held responsible for taking care of the ball, either by throwing it away or by protecting it himself. But I have also rewatched that play probably hundreds of time, and I feel pretty confident in saying that Brady was in the process of tucking the ball when he lost control of it. According to the rule, as written, I think it was handled correctly. I'll admit that I think it is bullshit -- we didn't deserve the ball back -- but it was also technically correct.
I can't believe I'm still agreeing with you on this... unreal. What is the world coming to? Not only am I in the minority but agreeing with Pats fans.... just kill me now.
You say in this post that we were the "beneficiaries" of the tuck rule and referred i was ignorant.. Then i asked where and when... Then you posted an article stating that vinny had one called back on him according to BB... The article i posted states that he actually fully thrown the pass which was a false statement made by BB... That's all i wanted to show you.. We never benefited from that call before.. You pats fans need to know everything BB says is not always true.. He makes false statements all the time..
You originally said the tuck rule was invented the night it happened to Brady. Clearly it wasn't. It was known as the tuck rule and had happened and was called a handful of times before. I didn't post any articles about anything. Someone else did. I knew it was a rule, and i knew the Jets had benefited from it earlier in the year. I don't need to prove anything to you, because it was general knowledge. I saw the play vs the jets live, so any article you post means dick as far as I'm concerned. Vinny made a throwing motion then changed his mind and was brining the ball back into his body when he got hit and fumbled.
You don't want him to comment on your posts because he proved you wrong? That's actually a new strategy. Most times posters say that when people just think they're a douche.
This is your quote. So yes, I did prove you wrong. They didn't wait until the playoffs to implement a new rule. And you can read all the articles you want, the play with Testeverde and the play with Brady were very similar. Both had started their throwing motion, and both had decided not to throw and were bringing the ball back down to their bodies.
