Is Tanny the cause of our problems? I see people posting it every day. He is the new “Shotty”. Is there someone Woody can replace him with that will actually work for Woody and not go in step with what Woody (the boss) wants? Tanny has done some good things. We give Rex and Mark a lot of credit for 4 playoff wins. Shouldn’t Tanny also get this consideration for the choices he made back then? I am not advocating that we need to keep him. I am just wondering what the other alternatives should be…and how much of the blame for our roster should be on Tanny.
The lack of depth is his fault. He trades draft picks like we grow em on trees, then he gives fat contracts to players not deserving.
Mike Tannenbaum isn't the 'new Schotty', he is the old Mike Tannenbaum. He should have been fired with Mangini, but Woody didn't and still doesn't know how to clean house. The problem isn't just him, but extends to the scouting department and has for years, since Bradyway wwas put in charge of personnel, likely without a pay cut. What do you expect people to say? They're going to name a bunch of guys in other teams' FOs that may or may not fit the bill, but those fans don't have the information available to them that the team does, and the team will likely pick some guy that isn't qualified, if their past track record speaks at all. So... ...are you done pretending to be a Jets fan?
The Jets have traded away half of their 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th round picks since 2007 that's an insane talent acquisition scheme. Jets Picks by Round over the last 6 years (# still with team including IR/PS): 1st - 7 (6) 2nd - 3 (3) 3rd - 3 (3) 4th - 3 (2) 5th - 3 (1) 6th - 6 (2) 7th - 6 (2) Patriots picks by round since 2007 (# still with team including IR/PS): 1st - 6 (5) 2nd - 11 (7) 3rd - 8 (3) 4th - 4 (1) 5th - 5 (3) 6th - 11 (1) 7th - 11 (3) Giants picks by round since 2007 (# still with team including IR/PS): 1st - 6 (5) 2nd - 7 (3) 3rd - 6 (4) 4th - 7 (5) 5th - 4 (1) 6th - 9 (4) 7th - 6 (3) Ok, now looking at the three teams who do you think has the least effective way of finding talent through the draft? The Jets have added 19 players to the roster over the last 6 seasons. The Patriots have added 23 and the Giants have added 25. It's no accident that the Jets are the team running on empty at this point.
Poor drafting has fucked us. I doubt Tannenbaum is solely to blame for that, there has to be a group of individuals who come together and make the selections, not just one guy. That being said, the GM will take the fall. Tannenbaum is on thin ice.
That doesn't look good at all, but it seems to me you should include players acquired by trading the missing draft picks and how many are still on the team?
Kris Jenkins, gone. Braylon Edwards, gone. Lito Sheppard, gone. Brett Favre, gone. Antonio Cromartie, hella expensive on the cap for a 2nd round pick two years out and the Jets acquired him as a free agent after the trade. Santonio Holmes was acquired by trade but re-signed as a free agent. He's also very expensive on the cap and possibly on the way out. NFL football is a short career. The only real chance that a team has to get 5 to 7 good years out of a player is to draft him and develop him. Trading draft picks for injury cases and head cases is just trying to capitalize in the very short term on the value of the picks traded. It's like signing veteran free agents. You're buying heavily into the downside and hoping that you get a little push up front before that happens.
He is the same problem he has always been at GM. The difference last season is that we had more urgent problems to address (WFH and Schotty). Tanny is next on the list for things that need work. Honestly his cap management is not an isolated problem, either. There is a whole attitude in the FO that draft picks either sink or swim and there isn't an urgent need to develop them (e.g. Sanchez), instead we will try to build one big time and take a good run at the SB and then pay for it for the next several years. That sort of all-or-nothing approach is unsustainable and a stupid way to develop a team. I don't know if that mindset begins with Tanny or with Ryan or Woody but whoever has bought into that idea all needs to go.
FTR, I fully agree that Tannenbaum trading away picks is one of the root problems of this team. To be fair I think your numbers should reflect the difference though.
LOL at Brainlessly bashing Tanny... Its actually the complete opposite. He is the root of this franchise's problems right now.
The numbers do reflect the difference. Both Holmes and Cromartie were effectively acquired as free agents after they were acquired for draft picks. None of the other guys the Jets traded picks for is still around.
I am a fan of Tanny. Yes, he could have done better with depth. Yes, he has handed out some big contracts that in retrospect, were way too big. But he has kept a team intact that has been competative his whole tenure. QB is undoubtedly the most important position on any team. Tanny made what I believe was a tough but wise move to move on from the injury prone Pennington. Penny is out of the league right now so Tanny is looking correct. He brought in Favre which was hit or miss; it missed due to injury. Then he made the move for Sanchez which has yet to prove out. But all moves were tough and he got them done for right or wrong. Overall, I think Tanny's biggest problem has been success. Mangini's first year, they made the playoffs. That pushed Tanny into a win now mode rather than a long term building mode. When the picked up Rex, again, it should have been a rebuilding time, but instead immediate success! Again, Tanny is pushed to a win now mode. And everytime it seems the cap is clogged, Tanny figures a way to rejigger things and field a competative team. Hopefully he can keep this up. And maybe find a way to add depth at the same time.
Mike Tannenbaum is a contract lawyer. You can give him all the credit in the world for the salary cap, and blab all you want about 'final decisions', but the fact of the situation is that he is not qualified to make personnel choices and he obviously defers to his incompetent shooting department for advice and final decisions. Stop romanticizing his job. It's already too trumped up and misunderstood.
I'm not sure how any of your comments relate to anything I said. But have the Jets fielded a competative team? Yes.
the jets should raid the scouting dept. of the ravens.then look to hire bill polian to replace tanny.having woody as the owner of the team.is a detriment.he should stay out of making decisions.tebow for example was his pressure pick.
I cringe every time I see someone suggest Polian. He's 160 years old and left the cupboards bare in Indy outside of Manning. If Tanny gets replaced it should be with someone who isn't about to take a dirt nap.
