You just lost all your credibility by buying a tebow jersey for those reasons I mean, it's ok to buy if you like the player, but you just said you haven't bought a sanchez because he is not a leader or a proficient player I'm sorry, Tebow is not even the starting qb, he isn't leading shit right now, i guess he is a proficient player...in fourth downs Meanwhile Sanchez was the starting quarterback in both afc championships runs Not saying sanchez is good, or better than tebow, but your reasons to not buy his jersey makes no sense considering you bought a tebow
Well, they explain it in detail here, and it looks pretty unbiased imo. Total QBR was introduced in 2011 to improve upon the NFL passer rating by accounting for more of what a quarterback does. A quarterback's passing statistics, fumbles, sacks, rushes, scrambles, number of yards passed in the air versus yards after catch by the receiver and whether receivers were dropping the ball -- these are all in Total QBR. How something is accounted for in QBR is just as important as what's accounted for in QBR. The method behind QBR puts the quarterback's yards, turnovers, completions and incompletions in the context of when they happen -- down, distance, yards from the end zone, score and time remaining. For example, a quarterback's lost fumble on first-and-goal when down three points is a lot more relevant than a quarterback's lost fumble on fourth-and-1 from the 50-yard line when he's already been stopped behind the line of scrimmage and his team is down a couple of touchdowns. The first fumble probably costs his team points; the second really doesn't cost anything because the decision to go for it on fourth down already potentially sacrificed field position and the inability to gain a yard actually did so. (See our original description of QBR for more details.) Using QBR, we are not only able to rank quarterbacks in a more complete way than passer rating, we can tell more nuanced stories about how football works. For example: [+] Enlarge Streeter Lecka/Getty Images QBR helps quantify the value of Cam Newton's rushing versus the value of his passing. • QBR on third-and-short shows that Cam Newton's designed rushes contributed a lot more to his QBR in that situation (70.2) than his passing. On third-and-long, Newton's scrambling was most important. On second-and-long, his passing was most successful. • When under pressure from a pass rush, NFL quarterbacks as a whole see their average QBR drop under 10, including the impact of sacks, bad throws and any ability to scramble. What distinguishes quarterbacks, though, is how they perform without pressure. The good quarterbacks do well and the bad quarterbacks poorly when there is no pressure. Some middle-of-the-road quarterbacks do pretty well when pressured (Donovan McNabb, Chad Henne, Tim Tebow), and plenty of good overall quarterbacks struggle when pressured (Tom Brady, Eli Manning). • The Kansas City Chiefs last year were the best in the league at defending the quarterback without getting pressure on him, one reason they were the first team to beat the Packers. • QBR relates strongly to a team's winning percentage. A team whose QBR in a game is 70 should win the game about 70 percent of the time. A team with a QBR for the whole season of 35 should, as a rule of thumb, win about 35 percent of its games, or 5-6 games in a 16-game season. The Broncos under Tim Tebow and Kyle Orton had a 2011 QBR of 35 and won eight games, suggesting that the rest of the team carried them to an extra three wins or that they were just lucky, given that they were outscored by 81 points over the season. As we studied QBR, we found a couple of useful surgical changes that better account for quarterback contributions. None of these dramatically changes Total QBR rankings over the course of a season, rarely moving players up or down by more than two or three slots. But making these changes this offseason improved the ease of telling stories. Here is a summary of the changes: • Kneel-downs are no longer counted. A kneel-down did not hurt quarterbacks much in their expected points added (EPA), but it added a play to their total. That extra play lowered the efficiency of winning quarterbacks in a way that was inconsistent with performance. • Spikes are no longer counted for the same general reason. Counting a spike to stop the clock as another play lowered a quarterback's efficiency even though it essentially provides value. Eliminating these from the QBR calculation solved the problem. • Fumbles on sacks are now not solely assigned to the quarterback. They are divided with the offensive line in the same way that sacks are divided with the offensive line. A number of fumbles on sacks come from hits that a QB could do little to avoid, so dividing responsibility on the fumble should be consistent with the way sacks are treated. • Fumble recoveries by the quarterback are rare, except when they recover their own fumbles or aborted snaps/handoffs. Given that we don't debit a fumbler fully for fumbling, we now don't reward a player entirely for recovering a fumble. Sometimes another player also could have recovered the fumble easily. This smooths variations associated with the randomness of fumbles and recoveries. • Penalties, which are not a huge part of QBR, were reviewed and refined. For instance, a quarterback who gets a delay of game penalty while trying to draw the defense offside on fourth down is not debited for that penalty. Trying to draw a defense offside is a strategic call and rarely a mistake of any significance, so adding an extra play was not helpful. None of these modifications dramatically affects rankings. The modification involving kneel-downs generally raises the QBR values of winning quarterbacks but doesn't really change their order. The redistribution of responsibility for fumbles on sacks can make a difference for quarterbacks who got sacked and fumbled a lot, but the variation isn't huge. Jay Cutler in 2010 is the biggest rank change because he was both on a team that won a lot, so he was kneeling (he had the most that year), and he was getting sacked and fumbling a lot (he had the most here, too). These changes also don't affect QBR's status as a key statistic. As coaches preach winning the turnover battle or winning the passer rating battle, winning the QBR battle actually has a stronger relationship to winning. Winning the yards battle wins the game 70 percent of the time (since 2008). Winning the turnover battle wins the game 78 percent of the time. Winning the passer rating battle wins the game 79 percent of the time. But winning QBR wins the game 86 percent of the time. Finally, we should add that QBR has not been built or modified in a vacuum. Throughout its construction and revision, we have had discussions with football analysts both inside ESPN and out, including Brian Burke at AdvancedNFLStats.com. (See its review of QBR.) This year, Total QBR will be posted not only on ESPN, but also at Pro-Football-Reference.com and FootballOutsiders.com. We appreciate their cooperation in providing what we think is useful quarterback information to football fans.
Last I checked the season still has 10 more games. People and there stats. Here the stat that only matters we are 3-3 and at the top of the AFC east.
I love this quote from Phil Simms: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/jets...YVCjKeDGlkKHL?utm_medium=rss&utm_content=Jets
I thought he threw for more yards too. I knew it was low but I didn't think it was that low until they flashed the stat line towards the end of the game. I saw one poster in particular here (I won't single them out) who was happy with Sanchezes play in the game thread and then after the game was very negative about his play citing the 82 yards quite a few times. Funny how someone could do that. You watch the game, see it with your own eyes and think "Sanchez is playing good". The Jets won a blowout, awesome. Then they saw the stat line and decided he played like shit. :breakdance:
82 yards were all they needed this week, and a lot of his passes were in clutch situations for 1st downs. I have no complaints about his game last week, the question still in peoples minds of course is what happens if the Jets can't run for 250 yards. the performance last week wasn't poor, but it also did not allay fears that he can't lift the team when needed....if that makes sense
Sanchez is terrible. no one can argue otherwise. regardless of what you base it on, stats, efficency, eyeball test, results, etc... it is impossible to conclude he isnt a bottom 5 QB and easy to conclude he is far and away the worst.
This season? probably but 2 seasons ago he was a top 10-12 QB, last year mid of the pack. Right now he is struggling(outside of last week) but he hasn't had much help. It's not like we'd be 5-1 if we had an upgrade at QB.
Sanchez just came off of a great game give him a break. At least wait until he has another shitty game before bashing him.
No...we wouldn't be 5-1. But the whole game plan against the Colts was designed to "help" Sanchez. And Tebow made some timely plays to "help". Sanchez made some nice throws, took care of the football, and all was well in Jetsville. If we can rush like that every week, we'll be fine. If not, Sanchez has simply got to play better than he has. I know he can do it. He has done it.
he played well Sunday, he played well for the most part vs. Houston so he's headed in the right direction. I agree he has to play better, w/ keller and hill back that should help. we'll see.
If Mark Sanchez can't complete 55% of his passes to whatever receivers the Jets happen to have on hand he's really not an NFL QB. That's just what it is. You can argue that the talent around him isn't very good, and that's true. You can argue that the Jets are installing a new offensive system, and that's true. You can argue that he doesn't have ideal pass protection, and that's true. However even with all the arguments above being true Sanchez has to find a way to complete more passes. The talent around him isn't helping but he's not meeting the minimum competency thresholds even given that is true. I'm just being consistent here. If Tim Tebow was performing the way Sanchez has for most of the season I'd be calling the Jets idiots for playing him at QB anyway. Being consistent is not an optional thing for an NFL QB. Playing at a high level one week and then blowing chunks the next makes you unqualified to hold a starting NFL QB job. There has to be a basis for the offense to perform well each week and in the NFL that basis is the QB. The schedule did Sanchez and the Jets no favors but the ridiculous portion of it is over now. It's time for Sanchez to step it up and show some consistently good play. If he can't do that then the only difference between playing him and Tebow for the rest of the year is a win or two and at least the Jets would be moving into a future where the QB play might actually be consistently good - after Sanchez and Tebow were booted.
Yeah, he does need to complete more passes, but his comp% went down this year without his #1 target Keller, and his #2 target Holmes. Schilens was out most of TC and preseason. Hill missed 2-3 games, Jason Hill just came aboard 2 weeks ago. The rest of the WR core has been injured on and off and haven't really gotten ideal reps with Mark, even back in the preseason and TC. It will be a lot different with all of our receivers playing, as we've seen based on the 2 games in which that's happened. I still believe that Stephen Hill is one of the best WRs to come out of this year's draft despite being a 2nd rounder, but only time will tell. He's outperformed all the 1st round WR picks thus far. I'm glad we didn't end up trading down for an early 1st round receiver pick.
What it looks like this season is that Mark Sanchez is just an inaccurate QB whose flaws are being fully exposed by the circumstances. When he was going 53, 55, 56 the last few years it was easy to write those completion percentages off to the changing cast at WR and the play-calling, alongside a very young raw QB making his way in the NFL. Now with all the changes this year and the talent drop-off around him I'd expect him to be having some issues completing passes. I'd expect him to be about 55%, which would be understandable given the circumstances. To have him below 50% with the number of passes he has thrown is just not acceptable. Even given that he has played against a few tough pass defenses, and he has, he needs to be completing more passes than he is. We also get to see him throw the ball every week and what we see is an inaccurate QB who throws behind his receivers too often and tends to throw high and hard when he's not getting batted down at the line. I'm not sure that the problems are fixable at this point. Sanchez obviously isn't trying to throw the ball inaccurately, that's just the end result. I'd love to be able to say that Sanchez needs to get more focused and throw the ball better but what exactly does he do to make that happen? One other thing: the targets with whom Sanchez has been most accurate by season. (minimum 50 targets or prorated to get there in '12) 2009 - Jerrico Cotchery 59.3%, Dustin Keller 54.9%, Braylon Edwards 48.6% 2010 - LaDainian Tomlinson 65.8%, Santonio Holmes 55.3%, Dustin Keller 55.0% 2011 - LaDainian Tomlinson 68.8%, Dustin Keller 56.0%, Santonio Holmes 50.0% 2012 - Jeremy Kerley 62.1%, Jeff Cumberland 52%, All RB's 30.4% I'm thinking losing LT and not having Keller around at the start is a big part of >50%. That said, you gotta complete passes even when your security blankets aren't around. Mark Sanchez and Bilal Powell are having one of the worst fits on 3rd down you can imagine. Powell has only caught 4 of 17 targets so far. That's terrible and it has to be on Sanchez as much as Powell.
Let's face it, Sanchez is statistically and visually one of the worst starting QB's in the NFL. He has very limited upside and the fact that he has gotten worse every year is not what talented young QB's in the league do. He is going in the wrong direction performance wise and if you're a real Jets fan and want this team to win, you should demand better. This is all about the Jets winning, not about somebody's obsession with a QB for whatever reasons some people have. If we don't start looking for a franchise QB this coming offseason then everyone on this board should protest Jets ownership and not renew your season tix as we want the Jets to win and get to a Super Bowl. Sanchez isn't the guy to lead us there.
To expand on the Bilal Powell comments. If Powell was catching the ball as well as LT did then Sanchez is at 53.7% on the season. If Cumberland is catching the ball like Keller usually does then it only adds 1 completion and Sanchez is at 50.2%. If both of those are true than Sanchez is still at about 54% completion rate. That's still an inaccurate QB who is missing about another 10 completions to get to an acceptable level.
