The 2012 Yankees -- General Discussion

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  1. Yisman

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    Phil Hughes, in five career starts at Comerica:

    3-2, 2.78 ERA, .928 WHIP
     
  2. Cappy

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    Great place for a fly-ball pitcher to pitch.
     
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    it has that reputation, but it's actually been above average the last few years in terms of home runs and runs according to park factor.
     
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    Agreed, but in terms of HRs, it's still a lot better than Yankee Stadium. Also, the typical park factors are more or less team specific, not so much player specific.
     
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    Agree, no question it's a lot better than pitching in Yankee Stadium.

    park factor can't be player specific.
     
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    Right, that's what I'm saying. The way park factor is determined can't tell that story. Once you start trying to parse out the splits for different types of players (fly-ball pitchers, power pitchers, etc.), you start dealing with sample size issues or other biases. Hence the simple analysis: fly ball pitchers will likely have more success in ball parks with a lot of room in the outfield. Especially pitchers who are so prone to the long ball and are skewed so dramatically in favor of the flyball (0.48 GB/FB ratio).

    ETA: Although, I should probably add, in fairness, that it's not like Hughes has given up a ton of gimmes, either. Almost 2/3 of his HRs have come at home, but most of them have been shots.
     
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    Hughes vs Verlander....not good...
     
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    That's true, but why not use park factor rather than simple how deep the fences are? Neither one is anything close to perfect when you're talking about individual players, but I'd gladly go with park factor. 2012: 1.143-1.026

    By the way, here are the dimensions:

    346 402 422 379 330 (DET)
    318 399 408 385 314 (NYY)

    left to right

    The big difference is down the lines, of course.
     
  9. Cappy

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    I'd argue the opposite. Park factor is (more than) fine for the big picture, but it flat out doesn't work for an individual player... it's less than useless. Park factor includes everything... power pitchers, long-men pitching in blowouts, etc. Including everything does tend to average it out, but "averaging it out" doesn't necessarily present you with the type of information you want.

    Looking at the park dimensions is horribly simplistic and doesn't offer much info, but it offers more than park factor in this type of situation.

    CF is no joke either, and it carries a fair amount of extra field area from CF to the RF line.

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    Quick visual estimate looks like over 1000 sq ft of extra field.
     
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    Cap and Yis argue when they agree on something.
     
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    hahah. I picture the bazinga guy and the Indian dude from BIG BANG THEORY when I read their posts
     
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    Just a gut feeling but I think Hughes is going to have a special game.
     
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    Doesn't really matter what Hughes does unless he has a melt down. The problem is hitting and Phil doesn't even get a turn at bat to do anything about it
     
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    ARod and Swisher benched. Kudos Girardi.
     
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    Kudos? Arod is 4-6 with 2 HRs againd Verlander this year and lifetime average of .267. All I can hope is Girardi just signed his death warrant and takes Cashman with him.
     
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    Too bad that half the lineup stinks just as bad as those two, I'm not even getting the hate for Arod when Cano has been worse
     
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    AROD has and always been a lightning rod. It's easier to blame him than to say, well out whole offense has sucked.

    I'm excited for the lineup tonight. I still think we can win the series. Just need one bat to get hot and it carries the offense.
     
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    Gardner goes from not starting the whole postseason to batting leadoff.

    I have mixed feelings about this.

    It's not a downgrade the way A-Rod and Swisher have been performing, but what is with Girardi jerking around A-Rod? Either decide he's not good enough to start or keep him in and hope he turns it around.
     
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    Gardner has hit well against Verlander during his career, although I do agree he's rusty. I like having Swisher's switch bat off the bench to pinch hit.
     

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