I dont see how anyone with any sense of knowledge could defend Tannenbaum at this point. He needs to be removed and not even demoted, just fired. Enough with this "retooling" BS, we have soooooo many holes and arent a few pieces away. The Patriots the last two years were in re-tooling mode on defense. They re-tooled because they have Tom Brady. We do not, and have holes at pretty much every other position than C, LT, and DL (arguably CB, but who knows what happens with Revis and Kyle Wilson isn't living up to a first rounder). In reference to the OP, I think this fanbase could handle a gutting and rebuild. What I dont think this fanbase could handle is another 2 years of mediocre play, drafting around 16 and missing the playoffs. This is not a playoff team when you look at it from top to bottom. IMO, in order for this team to get better in the future, we need a new GM first and foremost and Bradway has to be gone. We need an actual football guy and not an accountant (who's contracts are beginning to fuck us over- only reason why Holmes, Scott, Pace are on the team).
So you are basically saying Jets do not have a football guy as a GM. How perceptive. That said, Bradway can go to hell - in fact, he can't go sooner.
That's a fucking lie. People can't even handle losing 2 games in a row, you think people would be thrilled on here to go 4-12 for 3 or 4 years while we rebuild? Hell no. Jets fans are some of the most uneducated, unpatient and undeserving fans in football. After the second year of the rebuild I could imagine everyone on here freaking out that "Our rebuild isn't paying off, time for a regime change!" and we'd keep repeating the cycle. People don't even want to give Tannenbaum the time to work this roster out and retool the things he needs to, so what makes anyone thinks that this fan base would have the patience for a major rebuild? Especially with the absolutely horrid New York media pushing their anti-Jet agenda anything time goes awry. It would be a clusterfuck. Personally, I am all for rebuilding or retooling and giving Tannenbaum the chance to fix this mess, then again I'm pretty patient. The only thing I would say is that we do need to draft a QB next year if Sanchez gets benched or doesn't pick up his play by the end of the year. Running back needs to be addressed too.
This is foolish, get a new gm, find a quarterback with some talent and have 2 good drafts and any team would become elite. Holes at both guards, 3 linebackers, safety, tight end, wide receiver, running back and qb. Not saying the Jets are going to hit on all of their picks but every team has holes. If I had to sit through 4-12 in order to get a franchise qb I am down. Just dont miss again or ill be pissed.
I'm saying the Jets don't have a talent scout at GM. We draft based on the board his scouting staff constructs and the recommendations he's given. I'm also saying they don't NEED to have a football guy as their GM. Just like our president doesn't have to be a military guy to be commander-in-chief.
the guy who drfated Gholston? who oversaw that? I can buy a little luck for the '09 team but they reinforced it in '10 that they were a top team. You don't get lucky by beating up a Brady team in the div rd on the road.
I agree completely. However; the first paragraph of your post is easier said than done. Teams like the Bengals and Lions had top 5 draft picks for years and years but kept making bad decisions - Akili Smith, Joey Harrington, etc.The Jets don't exactly have the best track record with drafting "franchise" QB's. The lack of stability at that position is a big reason for this teams failures over the years. If Sanchez goes, we will be on our 5th starting QB since Tom Brady took over as Pats' QB.
Which position are you OK with? I would say maybe TE but we could certainly use more depth behind Keller. All others are in need of major upgrade.
Sorry that's a load of crap. Sanchez carried us to several wins during that season and in the playoffs.
I'm with you on that. I'd be all for it. I'm a firm believer of that being the best way to go. Draft high and draft often.
Personally I'm sick of QBs that are too short, or too weak-armed. I want a QB that can stand in there and take a hit, can see over the line and get his pass off without it being swatted down, and has the arm to make every throw. Sanchez has an okay arm, but is traumatized by pressure and has too many tipped balls. I'm not saying physical limitations aren't impossible to overcome (Brees) but why draft a guy with even MORE issues to deal with than having to play QB for the New York Jets.
3 quarters of steaming shit and getting your act together in the 4th to gut out a win does not a team carrier make you. Sanchez was a 55% passer on an excellent team with excellent protection. Mark carrying the team in the playoffs is the most impressive myth going.
What about leaving the roster completely untalented? What about guaranteeing contracts that should NOT be guaranteed to make room for other huge contracts? What about not filling clear holes in the offseason like RB and letting a ground and pound team start a "workhorse" who is average 3 ypc? Or trading away a valuable draft pick for the most controversial player in all of sports that is now, due to the lack of depth, playing TE and slot WR on certain plays? Or ignoring depth at the WR position that everybody else saw? I would say those shortcomings fall under his duties, and are a primary reason why we are where we are now.
I do hear ya but it seems like there are a lot more good qb's available lately and teams are drafting 3-4 qb's yearly in the first rounds. Do I really trust Woody to hire an intelligent gm, no. However, I can hope that we can pluck a gm who at least can evaluate talent better. I honestly think that the team has some youth on it that can grow. I will pray every night that we can find a good qb. Because despite the many holes, I think that there is also a solid core here.
Guys, we need a true franchise QB eventually. The Jets next QB needs to be a big, strong armed slinger that can make any throw on the field. We have truly never drafted a big strong armed QB. Namath is the only guy I can think of. Besides him, we have drafted Richard Todd, Ken O'Brien, Browning Nagle, Chad (who was a great game manager but had no arm strength) and obviously Sanchez. The only big rocket armed QB we've had in modern history is Vinny and we obviously didn't draft him. It would be a miracle to see the Jets get a QB as described.
Most of what you posted is exaggeration (completely untalented) or just vague (guaranteed money: Hunter's 2.5M isn't doing any damage, we still have 5-6, who else?) I'm not a Shonn Greene fan but his YPC coming into the season was 4.3 Bilal Powell and Joe McKnight were drafted to share the load. We don't have a great talent at HB, but its not a gaping hole. You can't call the 4th round pick spent on Tebow "valuable" and then brush off our 2 4th rounders at backup HB as no-talent.
Yeah great post, only the Patriots can sustain success continously. Even the Packers are looking human now to. Deep playoff runs are hard to do every year, the Giants were 8-8 just 2 years ago. Its hard to have success for continous years, it really is.
When exactly did Pittsburgh go 4-12 again? I'm kind of missing on that part. Same for the Patriots who are now the class of the AFC. When did they go 4-12 again? How about the Texans who went 4-12 as an expansion team right out of the box before building to relevance? I'm sorry, I don't see the glowing positives in a team that cannot for the life of them build to even a single dominant season over the period of a decade while twice collapsing into the pits during that span. I don't buy it. This team went as high as they did in 2009 and 2010 for one reason: Woody spent a ton of cash and imported several pro bowl caliber players with short shelf lives. That's why the Jets went to two AFC championship games. This front office won't sniff a Super Bowl without a huge infusion of talent that other teams scouted and developed. There's no golden lining in being in our third rebuilding process in a decade unless Woody is going to open his wallet again and spend another $150 million over a year or two to boost the talent to where they are good enough to go 11-5 and maybe catch a really elite team off guard in their house in the AFC championship game. Sorry man, it just isn't going to happen. I get your point on rebuilding but this Jets management team will rebuild every 4 years like clockwork and will then depend on Woody to save the day by ponying up the cash to get stars in here.
You're really making two points in the OP. First, I agree with you that we are in a rebuild right now, and that we are paying for our past success. With the number of injuries to established veterans, now is a good time to assess the young talent we have on the roster to see what these players are capable of and where we need to fill gaps through FA and the draft. IMO, the worst thing we can do is bring in cast off FAs to make a splash for the rest of this season (I'm talking about TO, Ocho, and Plax) because it doesn't allow us to evaluate what we have. Second, the lack of patience in our fan base to allow for a complete rebuild is precisely why I don't see Sanchez as our QB next year, and I see us signing some castoff QB in the offseason. I believe that our fan base has historically given up on young players and pressured them into failure, and Sanchez is just another example in a long list of failures, particularly at the skill positions. The pressure to be great right out of the box comes from us, is then fed by the NY media, and ultimately leads to player failure and a decision for a quick hook and the signing of a veteran has been because we have to "win" now. These attempts at saving face ultimately lead to perpetual mediocrity since we aren't building anything, but we are mediocre enough to not get a top 5 pick. What skill players can we honestly say were drafted and developed into star players in the past 20 years? Is that just bad drafting, or do we do a shitty job of developing young players? When I see Kerley play WR, I see a kid with a lot of the same qualities as Victor Cruz - Super quick feet, great vision in the open field, and an ability to get open. Will he get a chance to succeed, or are we going to sign TO to take his reps and cast him off to the bench? If Sanchez isn't the guy, who's next? Are we willing to do it over again? Have we learned anything in how we brought him along? While our fan base lacks patience, the real blame for our perpetual mediocrity lies with ownership for lacking the courage to stick with a rebuilding plan. The owner is the one constant amidst ever changing GMs, HCs, and players, and we have historically demonstrated a profound inability to stick with a plan, choosing instead to reinvent our organization every 3 years with new philosophies and personnel. There are times when long term success demands that ownership put up with more empty seats and not try to appease those who are screaming the loudest, and we are in that phase now. I hope that our leadership has the courage to be patient, but history tells me otherwise.
