First off, the Broncos never secured a division title. We backed in to it. We lost the last 3 games of the season, 2 of which were against very bad teams, to be handed an 8-8 division title. That is not 'securing' a division title, that's having it handed to you by other shitty teams. Second, saying that 'we still cant beat the Pats with Manning' is fucking stupid, implying that they are the same team as last year. That is not how it works. Tebow did not beat one team with a winning record last year during his 'run'. The times he did face a quality opponent, he got humiliated. So, yes. I believe that despite the win streak, which I loved, finishing 1-4 is equally as shitty as starting 1-4.
actually most of us point out that he went 8-5 last year and that he is 9-7 overall. Once again 2 of his 4 losses were to the Patriots 4 of his 5 losses Denver surrender 40 or more points. It doesn't mean anything at all. You want a list of all the QB's in the league that lost 3 games in a row last year? does it mean they got figured out?
he beat the steelers, they had a winning record.....quick quiz, name the teams that the broncos have beat this year that tebow didn't also beat last year.
they backed into the division title? did you miss the part where in the second half of the season denver won @SD, @ KC, and @ Oak? im sorry, but anytime you sweep your division rivals, on the road, you didnt back into the division crown. the patriots arent significantly different then a year ago. and the broncos lost yestarday for the same reason they lost last year -- they couldnt stop the patriots offense from doing whatever they wanted they didnt finish 1-4, they finished 8-5. 9-6 if you count the playofffs. the steelers had a winning record.
Yes, we did. We were more than lucky to make the playoffs at 8-8. We were swept at home by those same division rivals. We needed one win against a horrible Buffalo team, who was riding a 7 game losing streak, or a horrible 6-9 Kansas City team, who was starting, of all people, Kyle Orton, in Denver. Tebow shit the bed both games. We were humiliated. We scored a whopping 3 points in the season finale, at home, against KC. That is not securing a division title. This statement has me questioning your football acumen. The Patriots are significantly better this year. Despite the early season gelling issues, and the loss of Hernandez, the Patriots have a punishing running game this year (3rd in the league). They added Brandon Lloyd as a producing deep threat. Their defense is much improved with young up and coming linebackers such as Mayo. They are 4th in the league in points allowed, where last year they were an abysmal 22nd in overall defense. Sorry, but the Pats are a very, very different football team this year.
how exactly was it lucky? as mentioned denver beat the other division teams. including going 3-1 in the second half of the season with 3 of those wins on the road. you beat your division opponents and you are likely going to win the division. and they did just that. and no planet can beating division opponents be considered backing into it. its a small sample and they have played some awful offenses/awful qbs. they are improved a bit defensively, but not much. other then chandler jones, they are the same defense. brandon lloyd is in, sure, aaron hernandez is out. they run the ball better but they pass protect worse. nate solder has had a ton of issues in camp and into the season. either way, the premise is the same. denver cant beat new england because they cant stop them from lighting up the scoreboard.
We were .500 against division opponents, and lost one of them, the final game of the season, 7-3, at home. We backed in. Yes, it is a small sample. That doesn't mean that last year's Pats is a 1 to 1 comparison to this years Pats, which is what you and BuQB were implying. Yesterday's game was 14-7 going in to halftime. We coughed up a couple of fumbles in the 2nd half that sealed our fate (3 total). 31-21 is hardly the route you're making it out to be, and we were still in the game late. It's a far cry from the 45-10 trouncing the Pats handed us last year.
You will be thinking about that 45-10 trouncing for years to come, because that is the last time the Broncos will be involved in the playoffs for a loooong time.
2 of those losses were games orton started. denver was 3-1 with tebow starting vs. division opponents, with 3 of the wins on the road. he also came in relief of orton in the SD game, and down 23-10 nearly pulled off the comeback the patriots score on 5 of 8 possesion(including 4 touchdowns) - not counting the knee down at the end. they did whatever they wanted. if the defense didnt get beat like a red headed stepchild, they would have had a chance -- but like last year, they simple couldnt stop new england. if not for the 2 NE fumbles, it may have been 45 points allowed.
Got link to show "4th in the league in points allowed" ? Secondly, WTF ? Comparing points allowed this year to total defense last year ? That's seriously stupid.
last year NE was 31st in yds allowed with 411 17th in points allowed with 22.6 this year they are 22nd in yards allowed with 373.8 17th in points allowed 21.4
You're insisting on taking his record as a whole to avoid the obvious trend that developed at the end of last season. The Pats were 13-3 last season, NOT 16-0. They weren't unbeatable. But I guess it took a future HoF QB like Ryan Fitzpatrick to win against them. Yeah, it means that unless the Denver D kept the score low, Tebow didn't have a chance... Yeah, I want a list. :smile: That doesn't change anything. Tebow went from nearly invincible to unable to do anything quickly. Why? Because opposing DCs learned not to relax into soft, Prevent Ds at the end of the game. Those Prevent Ds Timmy gave the kind of separation he was good against in college so that he was able to hit a receiver in the last minutes of a game for his amazing comeback wins. Take that away and Tebow is just as crappy in the last 5 minutes of a game as he is in the first 55...
According to NFL.com, your points allowed are backwards. pats are giving up 22.6 per game this year, and 21.4 per game last year.
this canard again. The Jets weren't in a soft "prevent D" when Tebow went 95 yards to win. Most of the yards in the 4th Q and OT against there Bears were against their base Tampa 2 Defense, the same one that intercepted Romo 5 times the other night. What you, and others are confusing are "prevent D" with nickel/dime packages that teams brought in to counter Denver running Spread formations with 3, 4, and 5 WRs.
uh huh, their trend of playing the patriots twice in a 5 game stretch, the trend of giving up 40 point in 3 of the 4 losses. The Bills and KC were Bad games, the 2 against the pats they were just outclassed from top to bottom, lots of teams lost to the pats last year, no real shame in it. Tebow was 1-4 with 2 pretty decent to good games and 3 pretty bad games Cam Newton is 1-4 to start this year with 2 pretty good games and 3 pretty bad games.....think teams got him figured out?
There is no real phenomenon known as "backing into the playoffs". Either you make the playoffs, or you do not. Yawn... Steelers had a winning record.
The Bears D runs a lot of things out of a "Tampa 2" look. It's a base package that they do different things with. Lining up in a "Tampa 2" doesn't mean that they're going in tight coverage and hammering the QB. A "Prevent" or soft D is just playing back from the receivers to "prevent" them from getting in back of the Defenders for a big play...
I would love to see a list of the games last year - of the 200+ that were played during the season - where one team scored 40 or more points and yet lost the game. Care to provide them? My guess is there are probably 5 or less during the entire season. No QB - not Brady, Manning (either one) or Rodgers can consistently win games when his defense lets the other team score 40 or more points. Period.
You mean kind of like when DT got behind the defenders and Tebow found him in the end zone for a TD late in the 4th Quarter? How did that work, exactly?
