After watching other games

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  1. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    It's probably a lot of things but what about not having a Kris Jenkins in the middle? Those blitzes work a lot better when the offense HAS to double or sometimes even triple the NT for fear of him eating your QB.

    I also think the league has caught on to how to beat the blitz by just going max protect and Rex is a bit gun shy to send them ever since the patriots absolutely thrashed the aggressive blitzing defense.
     
  2. Jon_Snow

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    Actually that would be a good trade if we ever wanted to move Sanchez. Trade him to the Cheifs for a high 1st round pick and a 2nd round pick.
     
  3. JetsNation06

    JetsNation06 Well-Known Member

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    Bingo. Anyone who watches Sanchez in the pocket realizes that he has the WORST pocket presence in the NFL. Nobody in the league feels pressure and cracks under it the way Sanchez does.

    This is one of his many fatal flaws that will make him a career backup QB in the NFL. This can't be fixed and just another reason why we need a new fuckin QB NOW.
     
  4. 85inthehall

    85inthehall Well-Known Member

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    Let the guy have the same targets for more than a season...let him develop legit chemistry with receivers and running backs before swapping them out.

    You think any QB could come to the Jets right now and succeed with Kerley, Smith, schilens, Hill, Cumberland, and Greene running the ball?

    Sanchez has shown plenty of ability to make big plays, have 4th quarter comebacks, win on the road, win in hostile environment, step up in the playoffs. Matt Schaub - 0 playoff games, Matt Ryan - 0 playoff wins, Tony Romo 1 playoff win - Sanchez has 4 on the road.

    To say he is horrible and sucks is just incorrect. The guy has plenty of talent - just nothing around him.
     
  5. jlee499

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    What in Sanchez's resume in the NFL makes you think we can win a Super Bowl with him? If I hear about the playoffs one more time I will shoot myself. That was his first two years with an outstanding defense, which in case no one has noticed, we don't have anymore. And, the fact he isn't surrounded by the 'talent' he needs on offense is just an overused excuse for him. No matter what talent he has around him, he will still make bad decisions and give up the football if pressured.

    As for our front office and scouting personnel being able to recognize a future Brees or Manning in the draft, good luck with that.

    I have lost faith in Sanchez... I have lost faith in this organization, without some drastic changes, of drafting legitimate talent... And, I am losing faith in a majority of the Jets fan base on here to give anyone who hasn't been annointed by the analysts 'in the know' an honest chance at proving themselves.

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  6. Jon_Snow

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    I had a couple of thoughts watching other teams yesterday and the results.

    1. As bad as the Jets are there are teams just as bad if not worse.

    2. Following up on point 1. It was no fluke we scored all those points on Buffalo. Everyone and anyone can score on them.

    3. Miami beat Greenbay. Maybe that 2nd game won't be a gimmy.

    4. Overall I saw so much young talent that the Jets have missed out in the draft. It's one thing to get unlucky with one big bust (Gholston) but it's another to be destitute of talent because of repeated f-ups and lack of picks. There are so many great RBs out there.
     
  7. JetsNation06

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  8. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    w/ an "outstanding" defense that gave away numerous games late, that w/ a double digit lead in the '09 title game completel folded, that in the '10 title game didn't show up and got pushed around all game. GREAT defenses don't win in jaaury w/o quality QB play, we never were close to having a great defense and yet we won. mark was a big part of that, yes we were a D first team but you aren't winning w/o quality QB play. mark had a bad half at Indy 2010 WC game other than that he's been excellent in the other postseason games.

    Manning was a can't miss prospect in 1998, Bree's first team drfated a replacement then let him go so maybe he wasn't quite as good then as he has become, right?
     
  9. 85inthehall

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  10. JetsNation06

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    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    we are starting Chaz Schilens, Jeremy kerley, Jeff Cumberland, Shonn Greene and a medicore OL. Joe Montana wouldn't succeed w/ that talent.
     
  12. JetsNation06

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    The "blame everyone else on our team for our offensive ineptitude except the QB who is the main guy" excuse is getting old and worn out.

    The same mediocre OL that had 3 Pro Bowlers last year (more than any other team in the NFL). By that measure, the other 31 teams in the NFL must have really poor OL's then.
     
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    This makes complete sense. Sanchez did improve steadily over his first 3 years. The turnovers are still an issue, but i blame the line for most of those as well. Losing 3 integral parts of this years offense has hurt greatly. At this point we can only hope we start an upswing when Hill and Keller are healthy. Sanchez supporters had better hope Mark is in on that upswing, as Tebow time may be sooner than 4 games away as some think.
     
  14. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    Please don't cite pro bowlers, you look silly when you do that especially considering none of those 3 deserved to go and 2 of the 3 made it on name recognition and the 3rd was an injury replacement.

    It's not all everone else's fault but we aren't losing b/c of our QB. we have both of our wins b/c of our QB.
     
  15. JetsNation06

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    Oh so you were on the Pro Bowl selection committee?

    Yes we are losing because of our QB plain and simple, you're living in denial if you think otherwise.
     
  16. Danny@ATL

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    Honestly, I thought we had an easy schedule... but we suck so badly I can see us with 6 wins getting Geno Smith. What teams are worse than us right now.
    The Raiders, Chiefs, Jets, Bucs and Bills would even think about drafting a QB in the first.
    I guess the Raiders are worse than us but I don't know if we will finish above many of these.

    EDIT: And I would be very, very happy to get Geno Smith.
     
  17. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    Mangold missed multiple games and wasn't himself most of the year b/c of the injury, Brick I think may have given up more sacks than Hunter. Our OL couldn't run for half the year and struggled protecting the passer but we had 3 PB players on that line? not a chance.
     
  18. 85inthehall

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    Ferg was horrible at left tackle last year. Sanchez took horrible hits all season.

    Even the Patriots are running the ball more now than in the past. It isn't about having a QB throw for 5000 yards and 40 touchdowns. The Packers are 2-3 - why? Because they can't run the ball and teams have basically said we will make it hard to throw the ball.

    The Jets have slowly lost the balance they had running the ball and throwing the ball. They run less plays on offense, generate less first down, avg less per carry, allow more QB hits, have fewer impact plays with play action, and are more often than not in 3rd and long situations. Makes it hard for an offense to be successful when your go to play is Greene up the middle for 2 yards.
     
  19. GoPats

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    After five weeks it's obvious that teams are working to correct the freakish passing statistics that were put up in 2011. Green Bay is under .500, New Orleans just got their first win, and the dominant teams (right now that's really just Atlanta and Houston, and maybe SF) have balance.

    You're absolutely right... teams that cannot run the ball are in for tough sledding this year. The league always catches up to trends, and in 2012 we're catching up to the pass-happy events of the past couple of seasons.

    Conversely, teams that can run are going to do well. Defenses are geared now toward smaller, faster pass rushers who cannot hold up against the run. Of all the positions the Jets didn't address during the offseason, the failure to pick up a veteran RB seems the most puzzling.
     
  20. xxedge72x

    xxedge72x 2018 Gang Green QB Guru Award Winner

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    The real problem is that all the trading up and trading for veterans has finally caught up with the Jets. They just don't have the ammunition to compete like the better teams do.

    The Jets can win with Sanchez. He isn't the problem.
     

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