Congratulations, you are officially the worst poster on the board. yes, calling a play that went for a TD and one good drive negates every other shitty possession. go back to school.
Brian Schottenheimer as an OC: 3 playoff apps in 6 seasons(50%) 4 playoff wins in 6 seasons Jeff Fisher as a HC: 6 playoff apps in 16 full seasons as a HC(38%) 5 playoff wins in 16 full seasons I think Fisher is a good coach but the perception is better than the reality. Rex is 2 for 3 and people want him out, tannenbaum 3 for 6 as our GM and people want him out while Fisher made it 6 times in 16 seasons.
Schotty is no good, IDK why people keep bringing him up. Is Sparano better? I don't know, it's only his first year and he has garbage for talent. This team's offensive personnel is worse than any year that Schotty had as OC.
If you don't know why it's either because you are not trying to find out or have poor reading comprehension. The relevance is that the Schotty Haters here did not merely question Schotty's abilities and lack of performance. They also effectively blamed him for the majority of the problems with the Jets last season, and from that you had several who went so far as to say getting rid of him, standing alone with no other measures, would mean, inevitably, that the Jet O would improve. Schotty left and the O is worse, so those kinds of predictions have proven to be worthless. But that's not the main point. The main point is that Schotty's departure has shown that he was not the main cuplrit. And more to the point cannot be blamed for the current ineptitude. Who should be? I hardly mean to absolve Sparano. I question some of what he is doing, such as calling for that pass play on third and one when the Jets were solidly in FG range. But the real main point about Schotty is we should now be more aware as a fanbase that the real problem with the Jets is the roster, meaning the real problem is Tanny and Woody and the FO staff that works on scouting and signings. I think that is happening, in fact.
We started the 2nd half down 3. 1st drive, pass pass pass punt. 2nd drive, run for 5. Run for 8 1st down. Run for 4. Pass, pass punt. 3rd drive, Run for 7. Run for 6. Pass. Holding so now 2nd and long. Pass Pass punt. 4th drive, Run for 13, pass, pass, pass, punt. Now down 2 scores. This was the frustrating part. At times we had talent to just impose our will on a team. Like look at the run game in the 3rd quarter. But we went away from it at times to keep teams off guard. Schotty was like the rest of the team then and now, inconsistent.
There are two schools of thought on offensive play selection. The first is that you can't just do what's working over and over again because people will get wise to it and stop it. The second is that when something is working you just keep going with it until the other guy proves he can stop it. Schotty was always in the first camp and in a big way. That's why the Jets lost games when they ran for 200+ yards several times over his tenure because the QB had a shitty day and threw some picks. When you can run like the Jets did against the Raiders in '08 and the Bills in '09 you should never be throwing the ball except on 3rd and long. Just never. There's no point to it, the other team cannot stop you on the ground. A few drives where they do randomly stop you won't keep you from putting 35 points on the board. On the other hand if you let the QB throw the ball when the other team can't stop the run, well he'll throw some picks now and then and cause problems. That's true if he's a 40 year old hall of famer or a raw rookie wet behind the ears.
Sorry, but some passing always has to be mixed in even when the running game is working. I disagree that ANY QB is bound to throw INT's when a team is running the ball successfully. Does... not... compute. There are LOTS of safe pass calls that can be executed when a team is running well. The trick is to have a QB that can execute safe passes. Sanchez isn't that guy. Now, you want to tell me Brady isn't that guy either? I don't buy into that for a second. Yes, INT's happen. The difference between a good QB compared to Sanchez is that those mistakes can be overcome. Sanchez throws INT's to defensive linemen. So, your analysis is in my opinion accurate in so far as it applies to Sanchez, but not how it applies to a good NFL QB.
Brett Favre was the QB the day that Schotty called 33 runs for 242 yards on the ground and 38 passes for 197 yards and 2 picks. The Jets scored just 13 points that game and lost to the Raiders. How can a team gain 242 yards on the ground and score just 13 points? Sorry, it's not just Sanchez. Schotty has no feel at all for how to pursue an effective game plan to defeat an opponent. Every now and then even a blind monkey finds a banana but the Jets left points on the field all over the place during Schotty's tenure here. 33 rushes and 242 yards - 13 points. How can you add Brett Favre at any level to that kind of rushing attack and not find the end zone more often than that?
we had a million penalties throughout that game that forced us to pass then in the 4th we threw over 20 times. The bottom line is this- had we run and lost people would have complained we didn't pass enough against the Giants suspect secondary.
I don't know of anyone who says it was or is just about Sanchez. That is a straw man argument. The point is you and other Schotty Haters were sure that his leaving would improve the Jet O, on the assumption that he was holding the O back, and was the main culprit in their perceived lack of production given the assumptions made about the quality of the roster. He left, the O has not improved and in fact is worse, and it is now clear that the main culprit is Tanny and the lack of talent on the roster. Admit it. The truth is easier to defend.
He left...but we've also suffered a degradation of talent. That is the truth. Personally, I think Plax should have been brought back as a posession receiver, with Hill, Keller, and Kerley in the slot...but we didn't. Until Keller, and Hill can get on the field...this is not a call you can make. And FWIW as bad as the team has been...Sanchez is not holding on to the ball all day, which is a by product of schottys lays.
Personally I think the play calling has gotten better. The execution of that play calling has not. The reason why Tanny is clearly under the gun right now is because the Jets do have injuries. Every team in the NFL has injuries and its expected that a team can competently replace an injured player and keep the engine running. This hasn't been the case for the Jets. The backups are shit... plain and simple. Sanchez has sucked overall so far this year but at the same time he played a direct and positive role in both of the Jets wins to this point. The point Bradway was rightly making is that there's so much more at play right now than Sanchez's completion % (which was 75 when all was right). Bottom line, the Jets can't handle the loss of their best players, so of course Tannenbaum will be public enemy number one right now. Replacing Sanchez won't change anything. Denver had a better defense and a better running game when Tebow took over there.
You sure have been spending an awful lot of time patting yourself on the back this week considering we have all of four whole weeks of results to look at. Schotty had 6 years and Sparano gets 1 month? Doesn't seem fair to me. And if you're looking for improvements, I haven't seen one set of receivers run into each other yet! That was happening in every game last year.
LOL the jets couldnt score a first quarter td or first possession td for how long under this hack Schotty was terrible, plain and simple. Stop trying to twist it into somehow not being his fault. He was here for damn near a decade and the offense was consistently shit. Favre himself said Schoddys offense was shit.
Yeah it's not like we're sitting here watching the offense and thinking "oops, Schotty would've had this right". No, the offense would be failing with or without him at this point. And that's not vindication on his part either considering our offense is still outperforming the Rams offense.
You guys just can't be stand up and admit that Schotty's leaving has done nothing to improve the Jet O. It's called cognitive dissonance, and the Schotty Haters seem to be suffering from a bad case of it.
Of course I can. Watch: Schotty's leaving has done nothing to improve the Jet O. Thing is, that's a meaningless statement considering it's only been four games. You are the only one who thinks that four games vs six years is an acceptable sample to evaluate and compare two coordinators. It isn't.
bradford looks terrible and has regressed. whats worse is that the offense they run handicaps him. same thing we did here. mindless 2 yard passes and no semblance of a deep attack. pound the run, dump one off short, then run an idiotic play on 3rd down well short of the sticks
Yea I wasn't exactly a big fan of Schotty but thats because I always saw him as a middle of the pack guy. He had his faults and the offense wasn't going to be great under him. To act like he is the worst OC in football like a lot of people here want to is just ridiculous. There is a reason another team gave him a job as OC right away. Everything that ever went wrong was Schotty's fault. If something good happened in was despite Schotty's best efforst to make the team fail.
