Have you guys not seen the Jets' history? I am only 25 years old and I, myself, have been through many tough times as a Jets fan. More fans have been through even worse. People seem to have no patience these days. Rex Ryan and Mark Sanchez have won FOUR playoff games, been to back to back AFC Championship Games and when the team completely self-destructed in Year 3, the team was still (8-8). Now Tannenbaum was responsible for the roster getting worse and worse these last 4 years, so he deserves plenty of blame, but also credit for building those Championship teams (Including the one who beat the Patriots in New England a mere 21 months ago). Now, after a (2-2) start, (which included losses at Pittsburgh and vs. San Francisco, who are both tough match-ups), and losses of Darrelle Revis and Santonio Holmes, plus injuries to Dustin Keller, Stephen Hill, John Connor and Sione Pouha, people want to fire Rex and bench Sanchez? It just makes no sense. Come on people. I am not saying that Rex, Tanny or even Sanchez are doing a great job right now, but I do feel they are capable and get get things back on track. To blow it all up and start over would be a big mistake I feel. Thoughts?
Because Sanchez has not lived up to expectations. He was supposed to be the franchise QB and he hasn't played like one. People want Tanny gone because since the 2010 championship game his roster moves have not made sense. Rex isn't quite on the hot seat yet.
The AFCCG was then and this is now. This team has regressed, not progressed since then and patterns are starting to develop that long time Jet fans really aren't comfortable with. If perhaps fans didn't buy into the Rex Ryan hype machine, expectations would have been a lot lower. If Tannenbaum had paid some attention to the OLine over the years and stockpiled DP's (Terry Bradway not withstanding), we'd feel better about the FO/CS. I'm glad we appeared in those AFCCG but lets keep it real. We lost both games and the goal is always to win the SB, not the AFCCG. Giving this FO/CS a pass because of those two games is perhaps doing a disservice to both the team and its fanbase. Now if you want to go back thru decades of Jets misery, feel free but keep in mind that what you're seeing now in the franchise can quietly morph into more decades of Jets misery unless something is done about it PDQ.
I'm fine with Rex. He's a good coach. Not the best, but you can definitely win with him. And defensively, you know you're getting the most out of your talent. But Sanchez is terrible. He was one of the worst starters in the league last year, and he has been the worst QB in the NFL so far this year. There's nothing redeeming, he's not getting better. He's sunk cost. The sooner we move on, the better. And Tanny has let our talent deteriorate. I don't think Tanny needs to go this year necessarily, but he's on thin ice.
Because there are glaring problems on the team. Sanchez has regressed since those playoff games. Serious personnel issues on both sides of the ball. Questionable coaching decisions. Etc.
Other than venting a spur of the moment emotion, I don't think anyone has clamored for a HC other than Rex. Tanny absolutely deserves to be ripped at this point (and this is coming from someone who has defended him on his board ad nauseam). He put the roster together, and now that our top talents are out, we have little depth to replace them. I understand it's impossible to replace a Revis or Holmes, but to roll the dice moving forward with 'kids' at receivers just isn't a wise move. Sanchez has been ripped on these boards since he came into the league. I'll give him a few more games before I jump off the bandwagon because I do think potential is there. Either way, I think those AFC champ games have spoiled us to an extent. I'm a young Jets fan, but once you get a taste of ANY type of success you hope a sustainment of that success continues, and sadly it has not with a missed playoff appearance and a season that doesn't appear to unfolding like I expected. With all that said, I'd much rather watch a team that may or may not be good vs my other fav team (the Mets) which you know will suck before the season even begins.
we live in a what have you done for me lately society. we could have won 2 SBs and people would look to runt hem out of town now. It's sad, i hope they don't kick their kids out of their homes for one bad report card.
I agree things are not looking great, but they did not always look great in those winning seasons either. Obviously I think Tannenbaum deserves most of the blame, as the talent is not as good as it was in those past years, but I don't see how people can give up on Sanchez (or Rex) at this moment. Everyone thinks Mike Smith is so good, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, John Harbaugh, to me those guys are very similar to Rex and Sanchez but with more talent around them.
It's not one report card, 11 of our last 20 games have been terrible, 6 of our last 7 games have been horrid to watch. It's basic fundamental football stuff we're doing wrong. That's what I find upsetting.
So the level of talent around Sanchez diminishes and that means he regressed? oh ok... I figured that was a team problem... When Bray was here, we had downfield presence. When Plax was here we had the #1 redzone Offense in the NFL. Yet, they go away and it's Sanchez's fault. lol... Seriously. The haters make me laugh. I'm not calling him Montana but I love how he gets all this shit for going out there with no O-Line, Running game and No receivers Gets demolished week in & week and yet he gets the blame... It's fuking comical.
Winning four football games doesn't give them an excuse to suck year after year. We lost two big players, and now we are probably the worst team in football. Things need to change
As is typical of Jet's luck, I believe we tried to trade back into the first round to draft Flacco but B'more beat us to him. Our luck with Qb's historically hasn't been that good. Even VT ripped an achilles in the first game of the season killing our best chance of making it all the way to the SB in modern times. Giving up on Sanchez and Rex? Perhaps being a lot more skeptical of the two of them is more accurate. People really stopped taking Rex at this word several seasons ago. Any Tannenbaum statement is taken with the grain of salt added. I don't think there's anyone out there except perhaps the most diehard homer that believes Woody is in this for anything except the business side. All that being said, there's certainly a credibility gap between the FO/CS and its fanbase and once that's lost, its tough to replace w/o tangible evidence. That would be wins and/or consistent improvement instead of the regression we've seen both on the field and on the CS.
Obviously things look horrible right now but there are times in every season for all good teams where they look bad. Let's look at our last 3 title game seasons. 1998: we were 2-3, we lost to 4 win SL and 3 win Indy 2009: lost 5 of 6 in Nov/Dec 2010: 45-3 debacle followed up by the 10-6 loss to Miami- lost 3 of 4 in dec Let's look at recent SB champs: Giants swept by wash last year, lost 4 in a row and 5 of 6. GB lost 3 of 4 in Nov Dec the chances are this won't end well but to give up is pure nonsense.
I want Tanny out of town. He's incompetent at his job and cant evaluate football talent. He's screwed up on contracts lately and completely ignored depth while still leaving this team without great talent. He also completely fucked up Sanchez's once promising career by now surrounding him with talent and consistency. Problem is, if Tanny leaves, we'll will probably go into rebuild mode and a new GM might want a fresh start with his own franchise QB and actually and try and develop him the RIGHT way. IMO, Sanchez moving on will benefit not only us but him. I like Sanchez and want him to succeed, but I think his best chance at that is going to a franchise that will surround him with talent. Also, I like Rex, but he has become very flawed as of late. His defense is supposed to be this teams staple and should with out question be in the top 10 even without Revis. The run defense is atrocious and something Rex prides himself on. He also is loyal to certain players to a fault. Why is Shonne Greene the starter, why did Eric Smith always get so much playing time, why is Bart Scott starting or getting so much PT? And oh yeah, our young guys are sitting on the bench meanwhile they are better than who is playing (Coples, Ellis, Powell and even Demario Davis should be getting more PT). He's so set on this ground and pound style, but its obviously not working. We dont have the personnel (Tanny) to do it and the passing game is now the ugly stepchild of the team... Knowing this team, Tanny stays because Woody is a fuck and therefore Sanchez stays and so does Rex... prolonging a much needed change in the FO again.
Sanchez surely has regressed, but it is far from bein completely his fault. You can't expect him to do as well as he was doing with the WR corps changing each year, and on top of that brining in Tebow to mess with him even more. Keep his WR corps steady and consistent, add a good running game, and for goodness sake give him an o-line. Allow him to throw deep, and he will soon gain that confidence back that caused him to be so good with us those two successful, promising years. Along with that, we need to make our defense younger and faster. The defense is getting old and slow (mainly our LBs) and when they give up big plays and points easily, the offense takes a confidence hit as well as all the pressure to make up for it. I blame the FO. It's sickening that we were so good and promising less than 3 seasons ago, and now it seems as if we're free falling downhill back to miserable seasons year in and year out. Changes need to be made, but I still believe in these Jets. Maybe not this year, probably not even next, but I believe soon we can finally get back on track. Let's hope.
Sure, in the past we may have overcome some losses, but you honestly cant think its comparable now that Revis, the best defensive player in the league, and Holmes, our best offensive player, are out for the season. Also, Hill is banged up and will miss this game, Keller probably has a torn hamstring and is out this week and may be out the week after... The talent on this team is pretty nonexistent and the depth is even worse. Either way you look at it, this team is not a playoff caliber team. The Giants had the best passrushing defensive line in football and an elite QB that had actual WEAPONS on offense. The Packers were stacked up and down the roster, maybe aside from their run game. Just look at the year after they won the SB while losing one of their best defensive player- they lost one game. The Jets dont have half the talent with Revis and Holmes out as those two teams did.
The biggest problem I have with Rex is our lack of a running game. Everyone says that Tanny is in charge of signing and bringing the right talent to the team. How can you preach GRound 'n pound and not have effective running game? New York jets are a running football team now and forever. Run the ball to pass the ball. Defensive strategy, run, run, run play action. Greene is a GREAT #2 running back. We need a feature back and brute force offensive line. 1-2 punch. Forget about the west coast offense. This is never going to be our identity. We had if for a second with vinny and Keyshawn then went right back to Martin, Anderson, Jordan, Washington, jones, LT, Greene. We need to run the damn football!!!
When was he so good? He's awful and he's always been awful. In the beginning, the rest of the team was good enough that we won a lot of games despite him. Now the rest of the team stinks and he's the worst starting QB in football. I don't understand how people can continue to make excuses for Sanchez. I really don't. Do you just not watch other teams? He's in his fourth year in the NFL. He's more experienced than half the starters in the league right now. In his four NFL seasons, he's ranked 28th, 27th, 23rd, and 30th in passer rating. He's ranked 29th, 29th, 28th, and 32nd in completion percentage. He's ranked 28th, 25th, 22nd, and 27th in yards per game. He's ranked 2nd, 13th, 5th, and 11th in INTs. There is no objective measurement that would suggest he is anything other than flat-out bad. His passer rating stinks, his completion percentage stinks, his yards per game stink, his yards per attempt stink, he's not a running threat, he turns it over way too much. For Christ's sake, JP Losman has a higher career passer rating.
