I don't ever have a problem admitting that I'm wrong, I have done so many times. However give sparano similar talent and time to implement his offense with MS when I see the body of work then I will be more than happy to admit whether I was wrong.
There is plenty not to like about Sparano's play calling, It's just hard to dredge through this pile of tripe to find it, however. Can someone please point to any part of this post and indicate the understanding of the game of football? I see a few box score stats, but otherwise it is the same old scrub brush of meaningless rhetoric.
Schotty got 6 years and Sparano gets 4 games? Ok. You want improvements? Since I'm such a sunshine-filled optimist, I'll give you one: At least the Receivers aren't running into each other three times a game anymore.
There is a combination of factors that led to the failure that was the Jets offense in 2011. The Jets were banking on Sanchez taking that next step, so they figured they could be cheap and put anyone around him and it would work it self out. The personnel was a bad fit and everybody did the best they could under the circumstances. Sanchez is not the type of QB that can make players better, so they tried to lean on the run game, but our run game was average and garnered average results They tried to ask Sanchez to throw but they did not have a receiver that could stretch the field. Schotty, Rex and Sanchez did the best under the circumstances and ultimately this is on Tanny. This made Schotty lose his job and made Sanchez look worse than he really was.
Wish we had done a poll. General vibe I picked up from the forums was that Shotty was the weakest link in the chain. Removing Shotty & Sanchez can then show how us how much better he really is. For offensive issues, pointing the finger at Rex/Tanny was almost as bad as bringing up Tebow posts in this year's forums. The struggles this season show the problems ran much deeper than OC which is something many too many people wouldn't even admit. Now whether Shotty is a good OC is undetermined but it's a definite that larger issues on this team were ignored while everyone vented on Shotty.
The bold makes no sense to me when they were doing it. Yeah, our QB is getting better, so let's get rid of weapons? :breakdance:
schotty had total control of the offense when rex came to town. nobody seems to want to recognize that, especially when talking about poor drafting on the offensive side of the ball. the offense is better without schotty. if we WERENT missing our starting tight end and #2 receiver schotty probably would have still scored nothing against the niners. i love how quick you are to defend schotty still, that you have already made up your mind on sparano after 4 games with his talent disappearing before his eyes. doesnt scream bias or anything, really it doesnt. depth and talent is a big issue this year. if we had sustained as many injuries last year it would have been amplified then as well. but again, schotty controlled the o, so why can we not blame him for not developing the young guys we had on the roster? if anything it is becoming more apparent that schotty relies on talent and cannot develop personell. he just couldnt do it. as a team we are dealing with that now, and sparano likely should be doing a better job, but at least give him more than 4 weeks into the season.
if youve ever watched another team and wondered why all their back-ups play so well, its because they had a coaching staff that could properly develop young players.
sort of like when we had injuries the first 2 years of the Rex era and we had guys like Eric Smith, Robert Turner, Kyle Wilson, Wayne Hunter, Sione Pouha, Shonn Greene and even Vernorn Gholston(started first 4 games of '09 when our D played the best they have ever played).
How is the personnel Sparano worked with the first four games materially different than what Schotty had??? I don't follow you. Well of course there is the fact that the Jets have been using Tebow somewhat, which was something Sparano was apparently all in on, but to no good effect, so I HARDLY see that as a point in Sparano's favor. But overall the personnel was largely the same as last year's. As for going forward now, forget about it. Holmes is out so no one would expect the O to do better. No reasonable person would look at the O's prospects without Holmes and say you should expect the O to do better without him. Oh wait! I forgot about the Holmes Haters! But thats a whole different subject.
Great post. I totally agree. The point is not that Schotty is a great OC. It is that too many here scapegoated him last year and ignored that the main problems on O were with the roster. Now Schotty is gone, those posters can't blame him anymore, and the problems on O got worse. Well, at least more here generally acknowledge who the real culprits are - Tanny and Woody.
Whatever you think about Schotty there is just no question the talent on offense declined around Sanchez precipitously last season and the decline has continued into this one. Nobody is going to make waves in a rowboat and right now the Jets offense is trying to climb out of the water and into that rowboat.
It's unclear though where the problems originate. Is it in the free-spending owner who then cuts expenses back dramatically when he sees the results coming up short or in the accountant GM who is in over his head on the talent side? It could be that both of them are co-dependent in getting us to where we are at the moment but I tend to lean towards the GM and pro personnel side as the root of the problems. What is absolutely clear at this point is that Woody, Tannenbaum and Bradway are not going to bring a Super Bowl win to the Jets. They've had 11 full seasons to get their act straight and what has happened instead is a continuous cycle between not quite good enough and bad. That's long enough. Woody needs new people around him so that he can incorporate some of the learning he's done over the last decade without getting steered down the same dead ends in the next cycle.
I see no evidence whatsoever that Woody has learned anything over the last 11 years. If anything he's getting worse. The last really big move he made before this past off season, in a trade or FA, was getting Favre. That actually worked quite well until Favre got hurt. The most recent big move he made was trading for Tebow. Well, we know how good Brett Favre was, and Tim Tebow is no Brett Favre. Woody is getting worse, not better.
Frankly, at this point, I don't know who was more at fault for the mediocre product that is Jets football. I am more or so inclined to think that, while Brian was not the brightest offensive mind, the personnel decisions - both on players and coaches - did not help Brian at all. You all know that is a fact - there are multiple fiascoes you can all allude to, like Kendall disaster. And Woody having no vision - or a fucking idea for that matter - about how to run this team really hurt the entire thing.
I thought that Sparano was the wrong choice when he was hired, and although I was impressed with the play calling in week 1, he really sucked the following three games. That in no way takes away from the universal fact that Brian Schottenheimer is the biggest offensive coaching piece of shit failure in the NFL who has no business telling anyone on the gridiron what to do. That fucker would never have lasted if it weren't for his father's name
