Was it Schotty's fault, that the Patriots game was played in such weather, that made the playing surface resemble more or less like the Mudbowl, back in '82. As, you may recall, the Patriots decided to change the field at Gillette Stadium to artificial turf after that game, mid-season. It was also not Schotty's fault that we faced the 8-1 Bears with the best defense in the league that season. Sure, the Cleveland game was a disgusting game, kinda like the Dolphins game a week ago, I'll give you that, that one can be attributed to Schotty, but you're reaching with the important win over the Pats and with the Bears game. One was an ok performance, that got us an important win against a division rival, one that was leading the division. The other one was against the best defense in the league.
Well, that was a horrible mistake on his part. The Buffalo job was not going to him anyway. He had no home at the Jets without being a very good OC. He had the stated desire to be a head coach. He should have moved on after '09 if he could get anybody to take him. Sticking around here just hurt both his chances and the Jets. Because whether you think he was a bad OC or just an average one it is abundantly clear that he was not and is not now a good OC. You can argue until you are blue in the face and nothing you can say will convince me that he was ever anything more than an average OC and those guys do not get to stick around for the length of time he did except under bad management.
how did it hurt the Jets when we again made the championship and again lost not b/c of the O but b/c of the D?
Sort of like one of the last 3 games was in Pittsburgh against one of the historically toughest defenses in the AFC on their home field and the other blowout was against a team widely considered to be one of the top 3 teams in the NFL right now and one of the top 3 defenses also? Same thing man. Same thing.
It hurt the Jets because our offense was middle of the road *again* and so we got in as a wild card and had to play in Pittsburgh. If Brian Schottenheimer had had a single great year as Jet's OC in 2008, 2009 or 2010 we'd probably have won a Super Bowl at some point in that span when we had all the money in the world invested in the player base and only a couple of old guys in the mix. In the 6 years he was OC Schotty did not have a single great season to show for it. That's an indictment of management.
I don't know how you can consider a 10-0 defeat, with the lone touchdown coming on the first play of the 4th quarter, as the same as a 34-0 beatdown, or a 27-10 defeat either. If you wanted to pick an assraping from the 06, you should probably think about the 41-0 thrashing the Jags gave us early season. The bottom line is that I'm happy Schotty is gone, but like others have mentioned, he wasn't the lone problem this offence had, nor might he even had been the biggest. Also, 06 season is the only season Schotty had any moderate success, so if one wanted to point out his inefficencies, there is plenty more material from 07-11.
Totally OT, but as I was trying to find highlights from the Bears@Jets game from 06, I stumbled by this probable glitch video of the Bears TD which also shows all the plays from the 4th quarter of the game. Nice trip down memory lane. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-...fcc/Mark-Bradley-Highlight-WK-11-vs-Jets-2006
I wish I did not have to keep posting certain caveats when on this subject. I have never said BS made the most with what he had. Could someone else have done better? Hard to say, but I also would not say I know that would not have been possible. It's too speculative, though. But last year I saw there were many problems with the roster, and one of them was Mark Sanchez. Sanchez Fans in particular were too happy to be on the Schotty Haters bandwagon. Of course they blame everyone else for Sanchez's shortcomings, too, so they were all prepared to jump on that bandwagon. More generally the Schotty Haters did not acknowledge that there were huge problems with the roster. We don't really need to go back and go over individual posts from that period, do we? Instead the Schotty Haters would come out and say all the Jets needed to do was to replace him and the O would significantly improve. Compared to last year, how is this roster so much different than what Schotty had to work with? You had a fast declining LT who has since left, and Hunter has been replaced by Howard. Burress left, too. Most would say with good riddance. Even if you say Hill and Schillens are a downgrade so far from Burress, no one would claim it is all that significant. Last year the Jets were ranked 13th in points scored. This year, despite that first game, they are tied for 23rd. I know there are many other ways to look at this, other stat comparisons, that might not look as stark as that one. But let's face it - the Jet O is no better than it was last year, and is arguably much worse. So it is totally fair for me to say that I was right in saying that changing out Schotty was not going to all by itself bring the Jets to the land of milk and honey. As for the Champ games, it was really the D that lost the Pitt game, and also who lost out to a Manning led Colts team, but at the same time as far as the O was concerned, it was more Sanchez who was holding them back, not Schotty.
Great post. Today with Schotty gone, yea some are starting to question Sparano. But far more are coming around to your point, which I was trying to make last year. Schotty may not have been great, but the real culprit here has been Tanny and to some extent Woody. Today that seems pretty obvious, and most would agree. Last year, though, far too many saw Schotty as the main culprit. Now he's gone and can't be blamed for the current ineptitude. As for Sparano, I don't know if he's crap, or whether he goes or not at the end of the year. But I do know he's done no better than Schotty, and arguably has done worse. I think he's done worse so far, albeit with only four games in. But let's be clear -none of the Schotty Haters were predicting this to be the result of his leaving. Now they can see what the result has been. If they were stand up, they would admit they were wrong. But so far, have any of them done so?
In fact the Jets might well have won the SB in 08 if Favre had not gotten hurt. Expecting them to do so, I mean literally expecting them to do so, in 09 and 10 with a rookie an then second year Qb is the kind of unrealistic standard you Schotty Haters were holding him to. I mean Mark Sanchez. Really.
This site gave Shotty no credit for the good things that happened over the years. The 4 playoff wins had nothing to do with Shotty but everything to do with Mark and Rex. When the bad stuff happened it was always the OCs fault - never the HC or QB. The Shotty bashing made little sense. He was doing the best he could with an unrelighable QB. Plain and simple.
unfortunately we had a team in our division go 14-2 so we were going to be on the road regardless and a huge reason we won 11 games was b/c of the pass offense rescuing our overrated D late in games. You don't get to back to back title games w/ poor offense or a poor QB. You still need offense to win and AGAIN our D blew BOTH title games NIT the O.
I can't believe people still defend Schottenheimer in here. Listen, he wasn't THE reason why this team sucked offensively but he was one of the reasons and now he's gone and not doing much better. He's never had success with QB's, let's just leave it at that. I will admit that I was wrong in saying that he was holding Sanchez back, I think they both held the team back because they weren't a correct fit. Sanchez was built to be an instinctual gunslinger not an analitycal game manager and Schottenheimer needed a player like perhaps Matt Flynn to work in his WCO hybrid. Blame goes to Tannenbaum in that regard.
Shotty is, and always will be, utter dog shit. If we give Sporano the same number of years to implement his offense and it's still as bad as Shotty's was after 4+ years, then we can start making comparisons. Shotty would introduce multiple brand new plays and run them in practice ONCE during the week. That alone should disqualify him from ever running an offense or having children - he is worthless.
first of all, nobody gave Sanchez the credit for those playoff wins. Sanchez gets credit for being the QB for those wins, but that isn't the same as giving him credit for them, meaning his ability and play were the reason the wins were achievable. secondly, Mark Sanchez wasn't the only QB he had as OC for the Jets, so to attempt to claim the opinion of him is based simply on the time with Sanchez is dishonest. He had Brett Favre and Pennington as well, neither of which were as good as they had been prior to working with him.
Yeah 3 QBs for him. The Jets were at a point last year where they needed to make a change, partly because they are located in NY. It was either QB or OC. Do you give your OC a 4th QB or do you give the QB you traded up for a new OC? Yeah. Schotty's offense always inconsistent. We always had games where looked just as pathetic as this past game. Remember all in one year, our best year with him, we had 10-9, 45-3, 10-6, and 9-0 losses. That was 2010-2011. Even when we had talent, our offense never went off and clicked for multiple games. There were always droughts and lulls. Also, he got plays in really late and that was really frustrating. Sparano hasn't lit up the world in his first 4 games, but if Schotty gets 6 seasons and 3 QBs I'm willing to give Sparano a season to fully judge
Schotty was garbage. His play calling was atrocious. But clearly the Jets offensive problems went, and still go, a lot deeper than just the O.C.
