Be honest, which QB's in the league would you trade Sanchez for straight up?

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  1. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    Kevin Kolb: 9-10 as a starter, 3-4 w/ Philly.
     
  2. JET'S_my_name

    JET'S_my_name Banned

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    If McElroy was so good, why wasn't he even drafted, and why has he been stuck as 3rd string when the 2nd string QB has changed like 3 times already? Think about it.
     
  3. The 1985er

    The 1985er Well-Known Member

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    He was a 6th round draft pick though
     
  4. keypusher

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    In 2010 Mark Sanchez was 27th in the league in passer rating. In 2011 he was 23rd. In 2009, he was 28th. He is consistent, I'll give him that.

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2011/passing.htm
     
  5. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    Luckily knowledgeable fans like you and I don't judge solely based on rating and fantasy stats. he was a top 10 type QB leading numerous late game comebacks to win when our D and run game failed.
     
  6. keypusher

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    Here are some more numbers. That year, the Jets' D and run game was very good, and their passing was mediocre, to put in kindly.

    Numbers never tell the whole story, but when you have a monster defense, the #4 rushing attack and the #27 passing attack, it's hard for me to see how the QB can be top 10.

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nyj/2010.htm

    He was great in the playoffs against NE, of course.
     
  7. Organized Chaos

    Organized Chaos Well-Known Member

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    Homerism at its finest.
     
  8. NYJFan10

    NYJFan10 Well-Known Member

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    When hell freezes over. Sad thing is he probably IS the most accurate thrower on the team, but it would take a crater falling from the sky to not only have them give up on Sanchez, but also annoy the Tebow maniacs in the same season.
     
  9. Big Blocker

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    That's the same thing as saying fear is guiding the CS more than logic. F the Tebots, btw. But we know he's not the answer. What we don't know is whether someone on the roster right now can do better.

    Imo it would be stupid to go through a losing season expecting to have to make a move at Qb if you don't give McElroy at least a shot. He looked best of the three in pre-season. He was a winner in college. He's smart and as far as i can tell does not make dumb mistakes like Sanchez, and can throw the ball unlike Tebow.

    YOu may be right though. And if the Jets end up 6-10 or worse and have not given McElroy a chance, I will turn on Ryan by then. And he should fear that.

    heh.
     
  10. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    Where does this willingness to post without knowing what you are talking about come from?

    And McElroy is third string not, as you imply, becuase there was any legitimate Qb competition. There was in fact no such thing.

    Ftr I am not saying McElroy is some kind of sure thing. But it would be foolish not to see at some point what he can do.
     
  11. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    I know b/c his rating wasn't that good so he must have sucked, right?

    I don't get wowed by meaningless fantasy #s, there are great garbaget time stat padders but mark is not one of them. He comes throuhg more often than not in meaningful situations. In 2010 he brought us back numerous times, that means more to me than a silly rating.
     
  12. ouchy

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    Junc they are on different teams so record is not that meaningful.

    My evaluation is based on the skill set I see during the game. KOLB is a much better QB than Mark.
     
  13. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    I don't think a GM in the league would take Kolb over Sanchez.

    You bash Sanchez for struggling w/o talent and kolb had immense talent in Philly and now has Larry Fitz yet has only 3 more TDs than INTs. He didn't have some rookie year skewing his #s too, Sanchez since his rookie year is +13, even including his INT plagues rookie year he's +5 still better than Kolb.
     
  14. ouchy

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    Yet Kolb can read a defense. He can follow his progressions. He can make the tough throw in coverage. All things Sanchez struggles with after 52 starts.

    I dont think there is a GM in the league that would take Sanchez as a starter. Kolb's value goes up every week.
     
  15. Mantana Soss

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    If you haven't, here is a fantastic article you should check out:
    http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8434708/the-numbers-never-lie-ravens-fueled-their-defense

    It's mostly about Flacco, but compares him to Sanchez half way in:

    This doesn't even factor in that the Jets defense has been absolutely elite in terms of getting off the field over the last three years, being top-3 in yards allowed per drive and 3-and-out rate, giving Sanchez more offensive drives than any QB in football in the last three years to actually go out and try to score these points. This is really an average-at-very-best summation.

    Kevin Kolb for his career is a 60% passer with 7.1YPA with consistently inferior pass protection. Sanchez has yet to reach either of those numbers in any of his three seasons.
     
  16. wildaces

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    There is only 1 qb in the league I wouldn't take over Sanchez. Tim Tebow
     
  17. dr.velociraptor

    dr.velociraptor Tired of BS

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    Anyone but:

    Carlson Palmer, Jay Cutler, Tannehill, Gabbert, Vick, weeden, wilson, fitz, Tebow, Freeman, Kolb.

    I think that's everyone.
     
  18. 3lixer.

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    LOL @ Gabbert over Sanchez.

    You make your point with the list though OP.
     
  19. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    the problem is you can't insert a different QBs #s in, it's not about the #s, sanchez makes plays to win games. He was really good in SD despite inferior #s, converted multiple huge 3rd downs to help us win. People are too busy looking a his #s, seeing 100 pass yds and assuming he didn't do anything. Our D has ane arned reputation as a choking defense and it has numerous times the last few years and many times Sanchez and the pass game have rescued them. Our pass protection was awful last, it's worse this year, our ground game was medicore, it's awful this year. Our WRs are terrible, there's no Keller and yet we are 2-2 thanks mainly to the pass offense.

    I don't care about Kolb's stats playing w/ a top 3 WR in a weak division(prior to this year). it's about winning and making plays to win, Kolb did it on Sunday but he rarely does it which is why he lost his job to Skelton.

    You can show me any statistical articles you want, Sanchez has been vital to us winning much more than we have lost and has done so w/o the benefit of a true elite defense and elite talent on O(outside of the '09 ground game).

    The #s look nice- #1 in D in 2009(chokes against Miami, jax, Atl, torn apart after 17-6 lead in title game), top 5 in 2010(chokes at Cle, Hou, Chi, allowed Pitt to dictate the title game then needing one stop late couldn't do it) but this game is about more than just #s.
     
  20. MotownJet88

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    what he said with the exception of harvard. he stinks
     

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