Looking closely at Sanchez

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  1. 85inthehall

    85inthehall Well-Known Member

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    I guess it's easier for the mediots to say he sucks so they don't have to try at their jobs
     
  3. Murrell2878

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    Fantastic article. Glad he took the time to break it down. Thanks for posting.
     
  4. deerow84

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    Wow, nice article. The guy makes some really good points. Turnovers have always been one of the biggest critiques of Sanchez, another being how he would take so many sacks instead of just throwing away the ball.

    Right now there are 28 QBs who have taken more sacks than Sanchez and 9 QBs have thrown more INTs than Sanchez (he's tied with 8 other QBs with 3 in three games). That's a pretty big improvement. Now, given, that can change pretty quickly in a single game, especially against a defense like the 49ers.

    Still, if the sacrifice is a slightly lower completion percentage (his career average is 54.9%) but drastically fewer sacks and picks (and hopefully fumbled snaps, although he has one of those already) then I'll take it.
     
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    "As always I’ll leave that for you to decide, but I will say this: It’s easy to knock people, and any lazy journalist can pluck a number out of the air before using it to suit his or her own agenda." Gotta love that part after mentioning Cimini in the article haha.
     
  6. BeastBeach

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    I was ok with this article until this part.

    For one thing his entire premise is off. You can't just take something like "pressures" and assume that is on the o-line. Maybe he is being pressured because he is holding onto the ball too long. Credit Mark because he is good at escaping pressure, that is obvious from the statistics that the blogger points out, but you can't take away those incompletions and say that they shouldn't count against his completion % without looking at the bigger picture.
     
  7. Ted

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    Additionally, look at Sanchez' performance when he is pressured vs having time. He is much better when he has time. He makes silly decisions when he gets flustered under pressure.

    Sanchez is a decent QB but he needs to be in a different system to flourish. He just doesn't fit into what Rex wants. His biggest problem is having a defensive minded Head Coach and an idiot for an OC. In three games Morano has already shown how inept he is by taking Sanchez out at the wrong time for Tebow. Quite honestly, the Jets offense was much better under Schotty.
     
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    It's true that incompletions are better than sacks, he has been getting rid of the ball under duress.
     
  9. deerow84

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    Yeah that part is kinda dodgy and then to say "when you take these out his completition % is better than XYZ"...well, did you also factor in taking away the incompletions for them if they were under the average like Sanchez was?

    Other than that it's a good article. I just think it was silly how he proved that the stats aren't always the best thing to look at and then slips into using and manipulating stats at the end to prove his point.
     
  10. 85inthehall

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    I don't think you can say after 3 games that the offense is worse. It has the fewest weapons since Sanchez has been here. No #2, Keller hurt, and no pass catching option out of the backfield. Need to see how it performs as the season goes on.
     
  11. Ted

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    Of course, but look at how he does it. He just flings it without looking.
     
  12. Ted

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    Granted it's a small sample size but I can see what Sparano is doing mimics what he tried in Miami without success.
     
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    I mean the QBs he pointed out are guys that are less mobile. We all know that once Peyton and Brees get pressured they are more likely to get sacked because they aren't as athletic as Sanchez.

    This ignores the fact that Peyton and Brees read a D much quicker and release the ball quicker which is their way of avoiding the pressure to begin with.

    What it boils down to is that the blogger is praising Sanchez for escaping pressure which may or may not be his fault, and then throwing incompletions instead of running it or throwing a completion.
     
  14. ouchy

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    This article is not “looking closely at Sanchez” - it’s a puff piece.

    When you look closely at Mark Sanchez you see a guy with no fire, no leadership, and average QB skills (below average for a 4th year starter).

    You know one possible fix for this.

    Bench him for a game. Its become a huge entitlement that Mark starts no matter what. No competition can = no fire. In 51 games his starting has never been seriously challenged. Its time to make Sanchez earn his starting job instead of gifting it to him. Maybe that is the step in his development that is missing.
     
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    :rofl2::lol: wow, just wow.
     
  16. BeastBeach

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    You don't think he earned the job over Tebow and Mcelroy? :breakdance:
     
  17. Don

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    I didn't read the whole thing but does he talk about how Sanchez always stares down his primary receiver and rarely looks to his 2nd or 3rd option?
     
  18. ukjetsfan

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    I have been annoyed by the drops our wideouts have committed, and Sanchez has been under pressure quite a bit, but I'm uncomfortable with simply writing off incompletions under those circumstances as if they somehow shouldn't count. It's the same with interceptions - yes, there may be mitigating circumstances, but that doesn't mean you can just ignore them.

    If you're going to do that, you also have to discount short passes that the receiver breaks for a long gain or even a score, or plays where someone pulls off a spectacular catch on an off-target pass.

    Over the course of a season things will tend to even out and a quarterback's stat line will be a fairly reasonable representation of his play that year. It's too soon to say if Sanchez is having a bad year because, in a three-game sample, one awful game or one great game can skew things too much.

    I will say that Sanchez was shaky against the Dolphins but did not implode like he did at the end of last season and he finished strongly. That, for me, is a reason for optimism.
     
  19. ouchy

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    He is so entitled as the starter we have never expected him to win the job against any serious competition. But that’s not the real point I was trying to make.

    My point was he needs a fire lit under him. At this point benching him for a game might be the answer. It will either light a fire under him and motivate him to become a leader - or he will go into pout overdrive.

    Either way we will finally see the real Mark Sanchez.
     
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  20. Don

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    Miami has no defense, let's see how he does this week and next.
     

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