I could see Tebow taking a position change before he goes to the CFL. He has too much talent, athletic ability and is too damn popular (beyond all reasoning, even in a fans mind) and worth too much money to a franchise to go to the CFL. If for some awful reason he does go, get ready for CFL on primetime TV.. lulz.
This thread is gold... lets be realistic it was week 2 in a game the Jets were not going to win regardless of what Tebow did in those 3 plays. Even if Tebow helps them score a TD the defense was defeated and wasn't going stop the Steelers. Obviously strange things happen but there is a method to Rex's madness which is something I would not expect Tebow supporters to understand. I would have liked to see Tebow get more reps earlier in the game then he did but for some reason the coaches felt feeding Santonio Holmes the ball was the way to go. The coaches know what they are doing a little more then we do, Rex is a dam good coach as evidenced by his back to back AFC Championship game appearances in his 1st two years on the job. Rex Ryan is not the kind of guy to stand on the sidelines and not use his weapons. If Tebow can help this team win he is going to be on the field. I don't buy this conspiracy nonsense that he is going force Tebow to sit on the bench and lose on purpose.... it's week 2. We know if we want to win the SB we are probably going to have to beat the Steelers so why give them anything extra they can have on film?
Its not a conspiracy. Woody wanted Tebow for all the reasons that have been stated before. Rex and Sporano...not so much. I call it reality
Your points are realistic and consistant with my hopes about Rex. It is true that had Tim been put in and blazed a trail, more long term harm could have been done than short term gain, on a variety of levels. It is also true that accepting a calculated loss is a skill I must work on.
I think your off base, Woody wants to trump the Giants. You don't do that by trading for Tebow. You do that by winning. Maybe Rex didn't want Tebow, I wouldn't doubt it and he is walking the company line by saying he does but Rex knows what Tebow is capable of. He alonmg with a few dirty hits by Von Miller beat the Jets last year. Everybody knows Tim is one hell of a football player so Rex isn't going to sit him and lose to screw Woody. I say the same thing in week 2 that I did in week 1, there is no reason to show your hand so early. Winng the SB is a marathon, not a sprint. I think we'll see the full unleashing of Tebow when we play the Pats.
I find your blind faith in Rex Ryan disturbing. Rex is not the kind of guy to stand on the sidelines and not use his weapons yet he wont show his hand by using those weapons... so which is it? They know what they are doing? Doing the same thing in the second half that was ineffective in the first is some amazing coaching plan? Sure, no reason to change and adjust because something is not working... You should go into politics.
Calm down there buddy, I think Barry has a point, the defense wasn't at their best this past weekend and it didn't look like a game they were going to win anyways. If you were hoping that they would put Tim in and let him play out that whole drive, you obviously have not been paying attention. Tim will get his chance to shine, but like Barry mentioned, it's pretty damn early in the season to show your whole playbook off.
Well considering I am a fan of the Jets first and not Tim Tebow I think I would have a little better of an idea what the Jets are doing. If Rex was a rookie coach it would be a different story or if he had gone 5-11, 7-9 and 6-10 in his 3 years but the guy is a good coach and understands the NFL season is not a sprint. It does the Jets no good to open the playbook up in a game they were not going to win and give other teams a chance to see what they are going to do. Do I think the Jets should have brought Tebow in earlier and given him more reps... yes I do but because they didn't doesn't mean they are going to blindly allow Sanchez to lead them into a black hole either because they don't want to play Tebow. The Steelers had our number and were a better football team, no shame in that. The guy has taken the Jets to 2 AFC Championship Games in 3 years and has won 4 playoff games. I think he has an idea what he is doing. We could also add in that Sporano made the playoffs with Miami so he probably has an idea what he is doing too. Do you understand why it was ineffective in the 1st and 2nd half? There was no running game and the Jets had multiple WR's drop balls, run the wrong route or just get beaten by a Steeler DB. Those weren't things Tebow was going to correct or make work. He's a good player that brings a different approach and element to the game and maybe he helps the running game but he can't make WR's catch the ball or run the correct route.
You have to try and win EVERY single game in the NFL even if you have to throw the kitchen sink at it. The line of reasoning that you "can't show" parts of the playbook this early makes no sense. however that you do not have more than 2 or 3 plays and that's why there was nothing else makes more sense.
What Rex knows is that if he'd had any kind of offense going at all last season Tebow would never have beat the Jets the way he did. He's realistic about that. What Tebow and the Broncos did last season for the most part was beat up on teams that were misfiring on offense. They had like two wins against teams with a decent offense and both of those were divisional rivals and classic under-achievers as well. That doesn't stop Rex from admiring Tebow as a gutsy athlete who comes up big now and then when you need him too but it does make his limitations apparent. To get to the Super Bowl this year you need to go through New England, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Denver, Houston, maybe Cincinnati. That's a bunch of teams that are going to put points on the board and Tebow is a real cap on the chances to win those games consistently. The reason the Jets are being so careful not to ignite a QB controversy right now is that Rex and Sparano and Tannenbaum and Woody still hold out hope that they might go all the way this season. That hope expires the minute Mark Sanchez leaves the field for the season.
I don't agree with that. At some point when it is obvious you aren't going to win you don't allow good teams to see what you have in your arsenal. They have 14 more games including 5 more in the division. When you have Bill Bellichick in your division you don't give him a sneak peak at what you may throw at him. It became obvious that after the Kerley fumble the Jets were outclassed by Pittsburgh and while you don't quit and try to stop winning the game you do scale back your scheme.
Outclassed? They were outcoached. Plain and simple. They made zero adjustments at halftime to compensate for WR unable to get separation and the lack of a running game. And if, as you say, their entire focus is NE, well that's two games out of 16 and pissing away the rest of them just to not "show your hand" is pretty moronic. Especially when you say the entire purpose of the Tebow packages are to make other teams waste time in preparation for it...
If you think the Jets weren't outclassed by Pittsburgh then I don't know what to tell you. Obviously they were outcoached as well but Pittsburgh was better in every facet of the game from special teams, to clock managment to play calling. The Jets got punched in mouth by a tough physical team and had no response. I never said the entire focus was New England but that's what you want me to say. I said the season is not a sprint and I don't thikk there was anything in my post to indicate that I thought teams wasted their time with the Tebow Package. What I said was you don't want to give Bellichick a leg up on you by showing him what you're going to run. If you honestly believe that Rex Ryan is going to risk his job and this season to spite Tebow you're nuts. Rex is as competitive of a coach there is in the league and he is going to play the guys that will help him win. He's not going to risk his head coaching career because he doesn't want to play Tebow. If Tebow is going to help the team win then he'll be on the field.
Actually, it might very well be a smart strategy. presumption is that if we beat the Pats twice, then we own the division and have a playoff berth.
Because you can watch the second half and see the same offensive formations, same plays and similar playcalling based on down and distance? You really didn't just make that post did you? LOL. The point of this thread Barry the Baptist is that it was all a bunch of garbage that they had a strong plan for Tebow. Since you say Rex would definitely play Tebow (although you waver back and forth with this talking about something to do with, "they dont want to give anything away") if he thought he would help him win and he was a weapon and he DOES NOT play him with any regularity, then I must assume that rex doesn't consider him or his package of plays to actually be a weapon worth using. Another question for you Barry: Since the start of this game is similar to the Pittsburgh game are the Jets outclassed also by the Dolphins? I really don't care how long you have been a Jets fan. I have been a fan of Pro football for 38 years and me liking Tim Tebow because I am a UF alumni has nothing to do with my knowledge of the game. I see the Jets as an extremely talented football team capable of playing with anyone in the NFL, including SF and Houston. However, I see them as an underachieving bunch of guys who don't play team football and who are poorly coached. There is an answer to not having time for your quarterbacks to throw and you dont EVER see the Jets run these plays... draw, bubble screen to your backs or TE and quick slants to yoru WRs when you see the blitz and the corner is playing on the outside shoulder of the wide receiver. All the Jets routes appear to be intermediate plus routes. Yes, you run those routes, but first you open up the game and slow down the rush by spreading the field and making the short throws and sending you backs to either side out of the backfield instead of expecting Joe McKnight to block a 260 pound end or LB. I live in South Fl. Sparano is a terrible offensive game caller and coordinator. He is a smart guy but here is why he is bad. He is friggen stubborn. He wants something to work and will run it and fail over and over and over again. So my comment about the adjustments to LOngtimejetsfan who, in my opinion, knows zip about football and is nothing but a forum junkie trying to find the most active threads to spew nonsense, was dead balls accurate and based on an intimate knowledge of Tony Sparano.
Weston-Jetson, I think you're spot on. And I don't think they're not using Tebow because they don't want to tip off other teams as to his real value. I think they're not using him maybe because they had no intention of using him. If he doesn't get put into real games to throw some real passes to the 1st string, how is he ever going to compete or be a good backup? If all his practice time is spent running the wildcat, how does that help the Jets? Especially when they don't let him pass and every opponent knows it's just gonna be another run.
